homeschoolmom Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [url="http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5133598.html"]Gay Ministry at a Crossroad[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 (edited) Why are they invoking my patron saint as their church patron? She was not qwerty, or lesbian, or trans, or anything. She wasn't a feminist or liberated woman either. It is amazing how many misconceptions exist about her when she is so well documented - two different trial transcripts (one with her as main witness) have survived, I think nine of her letters have survived. This makes me upset. Edit: apparently the appelation q u e e r isn't allowed. Edited December 13, 2004 by spathariossa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 Well, I believe that the parish was named well before it went downhill... It's the thorn in the side of all faithful Catholics in the archdiocese... they are naughty, naughty people... very disobedient... [url="http://stjoan.com"]St. Joan of Arc Mpls.[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therevolution Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 13 2004, 06:44 PM'] Well, I believe that the parish was named well before it went downhill... It's the thorn in the side of all faithful Catholics in the archdiocese... they are naughty, naughty people... very disobedient... [url="http://stjoan.com"]St. Joan of Arc Mpls.[/url] [/quote] naughty naughty people huh? well to me that shows a bit of obliviousness sorry but i guess i must call it as i see it as well, deng is that what you think? disobedient? hahaha i guess you also believe that people choose to be gay right? deng... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 (edited) [quote name='therevolution' date='Dec 13 2004, 06:46 PM'] naughty naughty people huh? well to me that shows a bit of obliviousness sorry but i guess i must call it as i see it as well, deng is that what you think? disobedient? hahaha i guess you also believe that people choose to be gay right? deng... [/quote] People don't choose to be gay. But they do choose to have gay sex. Being gay smells of elderberries and is a heavy burden for people but they should realize that having intercouse with members of the same sex is not the kind of behavior God intended. [color=red] edited for content [/color] Edited December 14, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='therevolution' date='Dec 13 2004, 06:46 PM'] naughty naughty people huh? well to me that shows a bit of obliviousness sorry but i guess i must call it as i see it as well, deng is that what you think? disobedient? hahaha i guess you also believe that people choose to be gay right? deng... [/quote] Nope... what I meant was that they have been ordered by the Archbishop to remove various GL related things from their website-- they have not... they will not. When a parish decides for itself to DISOBEY the archbishop over them, I call them disobedient... What do you call it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I remember hearing about this parish getting in trouble with the Archbiship in the past over having an openly lesbian director of some ministry.... Didn't they also get in trouble for having lay people give the homily? I know in the past, their webstie looked more like a social organization's webpage than a church's. I'm also saddened by the use of [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13728a.htm"]Sts. Sergius and Bacchus[/url] as patron saints for homosexuality. (their icon is depicted in the Star Tribune article) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therevolution Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) [quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 13 2004, 06:50 PM'] People don't choose to be gay. But they do choose to have gay sex. Being gay smells of elderberries and is a heavy burden for people but they should realize that having intercouse with members of the same sex is not the kind of behavior God intended. [/quote] bahahaha.... Edited December 14, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therevolution Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 the website im not too fond of, but i dont think its fair to reject a gay/lesbian from directing a ministry... thats whack dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Dec 13 2004, 08:27 PM'] Didn't they also get in trouble for having lay people give the homily? [/quote] apparently, the priest rarely gives the homily... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='therevolution' date='Dec 13 2004, 08:30 PM'] the website im not too fond of, but i dont think its fair to reject a gay/lesbian from directing a ministry... thats whack dude... [/quote] It isn't fair to not let a particular person direct a ministry, even if they're clearly open about living in sin and have no intentions on changing? What if someone who worked at an abortion clinic wanted to be the director of education (for example) and had no intentions on quitting his/her abortion clinic job? I wouldn't have a problem if someone was struggling with SSA and was living a chaste life (and if they screw up, that's what the sacraments are for). Chastity is something we're all called to live, regardless of sexual orientation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DancesforLove Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Ok, according to the Catholic church it says all gays are going to hell. Therefore if you are gay you can not sit there and preach the gospel of the Church when you are living your life in sin and know that you will go to hell. Gays in the Catholic church are trying to prove a point about sexuality that they are equal like everyone else, not saying they aren't. But come to me saying you are a Catholic and believe you and everyone like you is going to hell, it doesn't work both ways I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='DancesforLove' date='Dec 13 2004, 08:45 PM'] Ok, according to the Catholic church it says all gays are going to hell. Therefore if you are gay you can not sit there and preach the gospel of the Church when you are living your life in sin and know that you will go to hell. Gays in the Catholic church are trying to prove a point about sexuality that they are equal like everyone else, not saying they aren't. But come to me saying you are a Catholic and believe you and everyone like you is going to hell, it doesn't work both ways I'm sorry. [/quote] That's not what the church says at all. First of all, gay sex is a sin, not being gay. Secondly, everyone can be forgiven their sins and given absolution as long as they are genuinely sorry for what they have done and desire not to sin again. Even if they fall again, they aren't condemned to hell by the church. It is comments like this that make most gay people hate the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 sounds like I have to add this site to me Red Alert section and have some emails and phone calls sent. this whole, love the sinner, hate the sin thing is getting out of hand. Theres a Jesuit ran Church in Boston that doesnt even have a Crucifix in their Church and they are involved in the 'Gay Pride' parade every year they have a Catholic banner that they carry in it. I emailed the Church and got that whole 'love the sinner hate the sin' junk. being gay is fine being an ACTIVE Gay and having sex is a grave mortal sin. Anyone who cant accept this needs to get a clue. you'll see this on my website in a few days. Thanks for the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) OH Deary me. I just realized I ALREADY have these people on my site. I swear a group of Church Militants and I have sent emails and phone calls to these people already. Looks like a letter to the Papal Nuncio might be in order since the Arch Bishop cant do anything. some people Edited December 14, 2004 by CatholicAndFanatical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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