Good Friday Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 http://www.petitiononline.com/fgm2003/petition.html To: U.S. President & U.S. Congress Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) is practiced in many forms: - Sunna circumcision in which the tip of the clitoris and/or its covering (prepuce) are removed. - Clitoridectomy where the entire clitoris, the prepuce and the adjacent labia are removed. - Infibulation (a.k.a. Pharaonic circumcision) which is a clitoridectomy followed by sewing up of the vulva. A small opening is left to allow urine and menstrual blood to pass. A second operation is done later in life to reverse some of the damage. In some cultures, the woman is cut open by her husband on their wedding night with a double edged dagger. She may be sewn up again if her husband leaves on a long trip. Because of poverty and lack of medical facilities, the procedure is frequently done under less than hygienic conditions, and often without anesthetic by other than medically trained personnel. Anesthesia is rarely used. Razor blades, knives or scissors are usually the instruments used. In the rural Mossi areas of Burkina Faso, group female circumcisions are scheduled every three years in many villages. Girls aged from 5 to 8 are assembled by their mothers into groups of up to 20. The circumcision "uses a knife-like instrument, the barga, reserved specifically for this purpose; after each operation she simply wipes the knife on a piece of cloth, sometimes rinsing it in water first." In some areas of Africa, FGM is delayed until two months before a woman gives birth. This practice is based on the belief that the baby will die if she/he comes into contact with their mother's clitoris during birth. We are unaware of any medical evidence to support this belief. Side effects of the operation can include: hemorrhage, shock, painful scars, keloid formation, labial adherences, clitoral cysts, chronic urinary infection, and chronic pelvic infections. Later in life, it can cause kidney stones, sterility, sexual dysfunction, depression, and various gynecological and obstetric problems. - From the Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance website (http://www.religioustolerance.org/) - - - - - - - - - - We, the citizens of the United States of America, in solidarity with our suffering sisters throughout the world, demand effective and immediate action from the President of the United States and the United States Congress to end Female Genital Mutilation (FGM). FGM is gravely immoral and flies in the face of the liberating spirit of America. As we would protect our American sisters, we must now protect our sisters abroad. This violent subjugation and mutilation, this horrendous act of terrorism against women everywhere must come to an end. Therefore, we, the people of the United States, demand that the President work with Congress to enact and enforce effective legislation to bring down this global act of misogynistic terrorism. Furthermore, we demand that the State Department bring this matter before the United Nations, making it an issue that the international community cannot ignore. We, the self-governing citizens of America, will settle for nothing less. Sincerely, The Undersigned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Why would you want the U.S. to impose it's will on a cultural practice that has probably been going on for centuries? Many cultures do many weird things. Should we make them all live just like we do here in the states? Maybe we should make them have abortions while we're at it, since that's acceptable here. I say we stop the atrocity happening right in our backyard first--once we have our act together, then we can start making other cultures follow our lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 dust you do realize this practice is one of removing the labia and clitoris from the bodies of little girls w/out anaesthesia, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 It's a fairly disgusting practice that many times leads to the death of the girl from infection. Culturally it's barbaric and unnecessary. I applaud your efforts at getting the word out Nathan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I know exactly what the culture in question does. It's barbaric. Abortion is more barbaric. What will the United States do? Send in the army? My point was that the U.S. has no moral authority to stop female genital mutilation as it's guilty of murdering millions of babies every year. My question still remains though. How do you propose the U.S. put an end to it? We're not talking about some dictator or bad government. We're talking about cultural practices. If you want to put an end to it, don't petition the U.S. government. Bring that culture to Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTNgurl Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 (edited) even though have done FGM for a long time....y should we still allow it....God gave it to us for a reason....if we cant stop..maybe , somehow..we should educate them in the consequences, and how others view it. (just trying to help those helpless girls) Edited October 15, 2003 by LTNgurl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I agree that it should be put to an end. But considering what dUSt has said, how would the U.S. stop this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Well, that is true dUSt... I myself, am more for supporting the missionaries who are over there attempting to stop this madness, but I still am glad to see someone bringing the situation to the public's attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Should we try to put an end to less-than-hygenic circumcision too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Sure why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Okay, I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 I cannot believe, dUSt, that you are treating this situation so lightly. Perhaps if it were your wife or mother, you would react differently? Or perhaps not. Personally, I don't think we should put an end to the less-than-hygienic circumcision until FGM is stopped. Actually, I think we should go a step higher and start castrating the pigs until they stop mutilating their women. But that's just me. I'm not going to have an ideological debate about abortion and the culpability of the United States. Shall we add to that culpability by sitting idly by while women are subjected to a prodedure that will cause them pain their entire lives and possibly kill them? A friend of mine told me that some of the pro-lifers don't care about the woman, only the fetuses, and not even those once they've been born. I told her she was wrong. Was she? That's the end of me addressing that particular insanity. ----- Now, someone asked how the United States can put a stop to it. Well, the U.S. can't effectively put a stop to it, but they can reduce the practice. What we need to do is impose economic sanctions on governments that allow or turn a blind eye to the practice. In the following countries, 90% or more women are subjected to FGM: Djibouti, Ethiopia, Sierra Leone, Somalia, and Sudan. You can't tell me that these countries couldn't do something about this widespread practice. It's not a question of inability, it's a question of unwillingess. Perhaps when they're not receiving any aid and/or when they're unable to trade with significant members of the international community, this issue will become more important to them. The United States could also begin education programs to educate the people of these countries on the wrong and harmful nature of FGM. It's very possible that some of these people believe it's in the best interest of their women to do this. Perhaps educating them could change some minds. If we can save even one woman from FGM, then we've accomplished something. If we sit here and have ideological fights about whether or not abortion is worse, we solve nothing about either abortion or FGM. This petition is part of the solution I've proposed. If you have a better idea, let's hear it. And perhaps, while you're at it, you could write to your Bishops and your Pope and ask them to state unequivocally that this practice is wrong. I have no doubt that there are Catholics in Kenya who practice FGM, and that needs to stop. Hopefully the Catholic Church will join the battle against FGM, rather than continuing to bellow about abortion as if that's the only problem in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 It's very horrible that it happens.... but the fact is that the US can't do a thing about it... this is done by tribes in Africa... I seen something about this on one of the learning channels once... the key is education... and if I remember correctly, the Catholic Church is helping those people by educating them... The US Gov. has a better chance at stopping spam than stopping this... now, if we want to talk about wasted tax dollars, spam... I'll cover this on a new thread. God Bless, Your Servant in Christ ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 Then don't sign the petition. It's really up to you. Personally, I'm not willing to entrust this issue solely to the Catholic Church. How long have missionaries been in countries like Sudan, Ethiopia, Sierra Leone? And yet 90% or more of the women in those countries are subjected to these procedures. Obviously, the Catholic Church is not doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Then don't sign the petition. It's really up to you. Personally, I'm not willing to entrust this issue solely to the Catholic Church. How long have missionaries been in countries like Sudan, Ethiopia, Sierra Leone? And yet 90% or more of the women in those countries are subjected to these procedures. Obviously, the Catholic Church is not doing well. I got a petition for you... how about stop mutilating belly buttons and ear lobes? Dude, the people of those countries want them... Food for thought... not trying to debate... just point something out... First, it's don't force our values on Iraq, now it's go take over the small countries that keep to themselves? How exactly does the US Gov. impose our laws on 3rd world countries without people getting killed? God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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