This isn't ok.

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='Oik' date='Dec 11 2004, 09:00 PM'] Homosexuality is an illness.

However, this article is extremely fanatical and terrible. [/quote]
Yet to be proven 100%.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

I'll have to do some research into the Scientology books I've got sitting around here (always know your enemy!) but I'm pretty sure that the article is accurate.

Funny thing too, most actors and actresses fall at 3.0 on the "tonal" scale and stay there for a really long time before they move up. And the way you move up is to take "classes" in dianetics and of course those "classes" cost vast amounts of money. They string theses hapless souls along bilking them of money and making them believe they're making progress - I don't think any of them ever reach 4.0, and if they do, they're not there for long.

It wouldn't shock me to know that L.Ron Hubbard is laughing somewhere right now. The man wrote some decent sci-fi - modern religion wasn't that much of a stretch.

[BeenaBobba]

That's horrible! Firstly, there's a distinction between the behavior and the person, and it doesn't seem like the "Church" of Scientology has made that distinction. Secondly, homosexuality isn't contagious. Thirdly, I think it's wrong that Scientology will shun these people "without sorrow" if its "treament" doesn't work. In Christianity, we want everyone to be saved.

God bless,

Jen

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Dec 12 2004, 07:10 AM'] Funny thing too, most actors and actresses fall at 3.0 on the "tonal" scale and stay there for a really long time before they move up. And the way you move up is to take "classes" in dianetics and of course those "classes" cost vast amounts of money. They string theses hapless souls along bilking them of money and making them believe they're making progress - I don't think any of them ever reach 4.0, and if they do, they're not there for long. [/quote]
I wonder why celebrities have been so drawn to Scientology. I mean, I see little appeal in it. It's good that this "religion" isn't as trendy as it used to be.

God bless,

Jen

[Socrates]

Mr. Hubbard founded Scientology after making a bet that "anyone can start his own religion." (He obviously won his bet.)

Scientology's a money-making scam, and is thus a hollywood status symbol (because you need dough to afford this "faith").

Hubbard proves Barnum right - "there's a sucker born every minute!"

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='BeenaBobba' date='Dec 12 2004, 06:31 AM'] I wonder why celebrities have been so drawn to Scientology.  I mean, I see little appeal in it.  It's good that this "religion" isn't as trendy as it used to be. 

God bless,

Jen [/quote]
Celebrities are drawn to Scientology because they are truly the most insecure people on the face of the planet. Sure there are a few who are not (people like Tom Selleck, Charleton Heston, a host of others for example), but they are not in Scientology. The insecure ones are.

Scientology tells you that you can fix yourself because you're obviously broken. You just have to "get clear". You have to void yourself of all the negative things - all of them. It's very appealing to people with spotty religious education. It's incredibly deceptive to Catholics in particular who often have feelings of unworthiness - which the Scientologists prey upon.

But as far as being "trendy", I believe that actual God is becoming "trendy" again, and since there really is no place for God in Scientology, many celebs are not turning to it.

Also, you have a younger generation coming into it's own in Hollywood and many find all religions, any religions, too confining. It will be interesting to see how things turn out.

In the meantime, pray for those duped and robbed by Scientology.

Edited December 12, 2004 by Kilroy the Ninja

[AaronDavid]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 11 2004, 11:18 PM'] That is disgusting. :angry:

Are you sure that is what they really believe? You think it would wipe the Church scandal off the wires forever. [/quote]
No, the reason it couldn't wipe the Catholic Churche's scandals clean is because the Catholic Church is the One, Holy, Apostolic Church. A slight blemish gives us a black eye. These guys, however, are a joke, and most people know that already.

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Dec 12 2004, 04:17 PM'] Scientology tells you that you can fix yourself because you're obviously broken. [/quote]
Heh. How close to christianity this is. *L* At least it allows for people to fix themselves, though.

[MagiDragon]

[quote name='AaronDavid' date='Dec 13 2004, 01:01 PM'] No, the reason it couldn't wipe the Catholic Churche's scandals clean is because the Catholic Church is the One, Holy, Apostolic Church. A slight blemish gives us a black eye. These guys, however, are a joke, and most people know that already. [/quote]
true.

Welcome to phatmass.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='burnsspivey' date='Dec 13 2004, 01:07 PM'] Heh. How close to christianity this is. *L* At least it allows for people to fix themselves, though. [/quote]
Actually I believe Christianity is closer to saying, men are broken and can be fixed with God. Not by themselves alone.

But in Scientology, one can never, really, truly be "fixed" (or "saved"), because we are imperfect humans, and because there is practically an unlimited amount of money to be made in human imperfection.

Now, before you go spouting off about the Catholic Church being all about the money consider this: the Catholic Church has yet to turn anyone away simply because they had nothing to offer Her. Scientologist won't talk to you (past the initial consultation) unless you're enrolled in or are enrolling in their "classes" or doing one of their "sessions" or one of their "cleansings" - all of which require your money.

Yep. L.Ron Hubbard started a dosie of a thing there.

[Donna]

Hypee!
_______________________________________________________

DJ, I've not followed it.

I know of a pedophile whose religion was/is Scientology.

It is really true, that certain sins (esp. if they be patterns of action/thought) are so difficult to get out of, are so dangerous to the soul I reckon it'd take God literally and actively plopping that soul into a totally different realm. Oy, the sacrfices needed to save one soul! Who of us is going to sacrifice for these wretches, whose deeds we hate?

[i][color=green]For the fallen away:

May the most holy, most sacred, most adorable,
Most incomoprehensible and unutterable Name of God
Be always praised, blessed, loved, adored
And glorified:
In heaven, on earth, and in the hells;
And, by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ
In the most Holy Sacrament of the altar.[/i][/color]

[b]Don Bosco, succor us![/b]

And still, there but for the grace of God go I, tho' every fiber screams [i]I would never be this way.[/i] Never be like the Hubbardians or other predators.

Well, Our Lady understands my sorrow. She will pray, and obtain for us courage.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Oik' date='Dec 11 2004, 11:00 PM'] Homosexuality is an illness.

However, this article is extremely fanatical and terrible. [/quote]
To be correct, it is a behavior disorder.

Same sex attraction is developed, it's not passed on biologically or caught like a cold.

The Catholic Medical Association has conducted a indepth study on same sex attraction, you can read it at the below link, it's called Homosexuality and Hope:
[url="http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51"]http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51[/url]




God Bless,
ironmonk

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Dec 13 2004, 03:48 PM'] Actually I believe Christianity is closer to saying, men are broken and can be fixed with God. Not by themselves alone.
[/quote]
*L* And that's why I said 'close' and not 'identical'.

[Lavender]

Okay...that is horrible. Those are human beings that they are talking about. "Treatment?" "Disposed of?" How can they say that? Grrr...some church they are. :irate:

[I Choose to Be Holy]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Dec 15 2004, 07:29 PM'] To be correct, it is a behavior disorder.

Same sex attraction is developed, it's not passed on biologically or caught like a cold.

The Catholic Medical Association has conducted a indepth study on same sex attraction, you can read it at the below link, it's called Homosexuality and Hope:
[url="http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51"]http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51[/url]




God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
So um...how do u explain those kids that even from childhood don't want to go do the "boy" stuff and want to sit at home and play dolls and such despite all their other siblings doing it? just curious cuz i don't know.