homeschoolmom Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 2 2005, 04:58 PM'] I like dancing down the aisle, but neither raising your hands or dancing is part of the Mass. We don't add things to the Mass because it makes us all touchy feely. [/quote] You're going to completely cement that image in my mind, Cmom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 THat ok ! I picture you with two tots in your arms and a tool belt with skillets and pans hanging from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tink Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 LoL! I really like those images, and I agree that the Catholic mass isn't something we can or should change because it makes us 'feel more united in Christ' or anything. Emotions are very poor indicators of faith, and by conforming the Mass to suit them, we are devaluing the very gift of Christ in the Eucharist. However, I raise my hands on my own, not holding onto anyone else's hands. I've debated even doing that, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Okay its not so much other people holding hands as its people elbowing my ribs to get my attention and grabbing my hands when they're clearly folded. I hate being forced to do something Im not required to do. there's my 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 2 2005, 05:11 PM'] THat ok ! I picture you with two tots in your arms and a tool belt with skillets and pans hanging from it. [/quote] Of course my third tot is off dancing down the aisle... I really need more arms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krush2k2 Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 11 2004, 11:57 AM'] The Our Father is not supposed to be a time of family or unity. It is suppose to be time between us and God. Bishops have recognized this over and over again. [/quote] This is true. The parish I go to when I'm late to my normal one does the holding of hands in full swing, at times it seems I'm the only one who doesnt participate. I see mass as more sacred and a solemn event, rather than a fellowship, etc.. This is why I dislike Penecostal churches, all based on Emotion and Entertainment-so much theatrics. I wonder Bro Adam how this argument takes into play with the Popes praise of the Charismatic movement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 [quote name='Krush2k2' date='Jan 2 2005, 06:08 PM'] This is true. The parish I go to when I'm late to my normal one does the holding of hands in full swing, at times it seems I'm the only one who doesnt participate. I see mass as more sacred and a solemn event, rather than a fellowship, etc.. This is why I dislike Penecostal churches, all based on Emotion and Entertainment-so much theatrics. I wonder Bro Adam how this argument takes into play with the Popes praise of the Charismatic movement? [/quote] i'm forced to do it.....if i don't the person next to me will grab my hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Simply say "no thank you" and fold your hands together. You cannot be forced to hold hands with strangers or even people you know if you don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Cube Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 I just try to keep things in perspective. If everyone holds hands during the Our Father the Mass will look fruity, but will still work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote]I wonder Bro Adam how this argument takes into play with the Popes praise of the Charismatic movement?[/quote] There is nothing wrong with the charasmatic renewal when the people participating it aim to the ends of which it is meant to achieve. Priase and prayer services are not masses. The mass should never be changed because *I* feel better doing something a different way. I've yet to hear a decent excuse for holding hands at the Our Father, a clear diviation from the rubrics. I'm all for adapting the mass when there is a good reason for it and when it is given the blessing of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 I always thought of holding hands as symbolizing unity. Just a thought God bless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='p0lar_bear' date='Dec 11 2004, 02:50 AM'] Technically, it is not forbidden for the faithful to hold hands during the Our Father. It cannot replace the Sign of Peace and the priest cannot initiate it. Because it is not contrary to the rubrics, canon law, or any other directives, there is nothing preventing the faithful from doing it of their own initiative. With all due respect to Mr. Donovan, he goes further than the Church has on this issue. [/quote] hmm, the priests here in south texas seem to initiate it and they also initiate clapping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelly_freak Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 I always liked holding hands with my family during the our father. It's so uniting to stand together holding hands and praying the Lord's prayer together. I guess it's just me after skimming the rest of the thread, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='Anna' date='Dec 11 2004, 11:12 AM'] The rubrics (Latin, meaning "red." Prayers are written in black, gestures in red) instruct the priest to hold his hands in the orans position during the Lord's Prayer. Therefore, it is wrong for a priest to hold hands during the Our Father. The Sign of Peace comes after the Lord's Prayer. If you've already been holding hands with someone (an intimate gesture) why would you then shake his hand? (It puts the human gestures out of a logical sequence, so to speak.) Hand-shaking is common among all people of goodwill. Handholding is reserved for those who are more intimately acquainted. That's my take. But how about what the Vatican has said? [color=purple][u][i][b]Inaestimabile Donum[/b][/i][/u] - foreward [url="http://www.cin.org/vatcong/donum.html"]http://www.cin.org/vatcong/donum.html[/url] Prepared by the Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship Approved and Confirmed by His Holiness Pope John Paul II April 17, [b]1980[/b] ...The [i]faithful have a right to a true Liturgy[/i], which means [b]the Liturgy desired and laid down by the Church[/b], which has in fact indicated where adaptations may be made as called for by pastoral requirements in different places or by different groups of people. [b]Undue experimentation, changes and creativity bewilder the faithful[/b]... The Second Vatican Council's admonition in this regard must be remembered: [b]"No person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove or change anything in the Liturgy on his own authority."[/b] And Paul VI of venerable memory stated that: "Anyone who takes advantage of the reform to indulge in arbitrary experiments is wasting energy and offending the ecclesial sense."[/color] My emphasis added... Hi, Everybody!!!! :wave: Just thought I'd pop in to say h'llo! :wub: I'm procrastinating. I should be painting my bedroom ceiling... Pax Christi. <>< [/quote] [b][color=red]ANNA!! [/color][/b] WE MISS YOU! :wub: :wub: :wub: its soo good to see ya post! :hearts: :hearts: :group: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemnantRules Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Where's Zach?!?!?!? He could answer this REALLY well...TRUST ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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