ironmonk Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 If there is no God. That would mean that might makes right. That would mean that you could do whatever you wanted and as long as no one found out or no one could do anything about it, it would be ok. If there is no God, then there was nothing wrong with what Hitler did... might makes right. He had the power. If there is no afterlife, then it really doesn't matter if we live or die. It's all pointless if there is no God. If there is no God, then nothing matters. If there is no God, then right and wrong is realivant. People say that society determine's what's right and wrong... bah... might makes right... take over the society, then whatever you say goes... Nothing is wrong with that, unless there is a God. If there is no God, then we really do not exist, because we all know that you cannot get something out of nothing.... and space is full of nothing, but now has something... where did that something come from? Where did that something of something come from? If there is no God, than we know it had to start somewhere... once we find the starting place, what started it? Where did whatever start it, start? What happens when there is no world? Does it really burn up, where does it go, is it always just floating around? What hapens to the carbon once everything else burns? What about the stuff that doesn't burn?... but let's talk about where everything came from again.... I mean, everything has to have a beginning... if there was nothing, then where did nothing get something? And if the most simpliest form of life started in a little water in the shade, why hasn't any scientist even been able to produce the smallest single cell living creature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 That would mean that might makes right. That would mean that you could do whatever you wanted and as long as no one found out or no one could do anything about it, it would be ok. Why would you ever feel this way? It's not okay to harm other people, regardless of whether or not there is a God. Even if there were not a God, we are not mere animals; we should not harm our fellow human beings. Morality does not always have to be based on God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 God is the one that placed morality in our hearts in the form of natural law. Without God the law of the jungle would rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Why would you ever feel this way? It's not okay to harm other people, regardless of whether or not there is a God. Even if there were not a God, we are not mere animals; we should not harm our fellow human beings. Morality does not always have to be based on God. Ok .. . what is morality based on then, if not on God . . . Remember Good Friday, I'm a philosopher, so I'll take you at your word. Morality does not need to be based on God. Now, my question is, what do you propose we base it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 BLAZr, What is the correct spelling for Falliblism (the philosophy that reality is based solely on individual perception)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 14, 2003 Author Share Posted October 14, 2003 Why would you ever feel this way?Because if there was no God, then I have the right to do whatever I wish. It's not okay to harm other people, Why not? What makes it wrong? If there is no God, we can do whatever we wish. We are not mere animals... we can think deeply, plan, and take over the world. We can rule. Those who are weak are made to serve those who are strong.... if there is no God. The law is what we make it, and we answer to no one... if there is no God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 What is morality based on then, if not on God? Morality is based on a system of beliefs not on God. I happen to believe in God, but I know a number of people who have a very strong sense of morality and absolutely no belief in the existance of God at all. Their belief system is based on a sense of the common good for all people, they would most certainly have a sense of morality that Hitler was wrong and many people with the same belief system died in the camps as a result. It pains me that they have no belief in God, but I cannot argue that they have no sense of morality as a result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Ellenita, their morality is based on what society has told them it is. Thank God Christianity dominated our society long enough to make enough of a lasting impact. Their morality is based on human dignity. human dignity is based on Christianity. Christianity is based on God. 'nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 their morality is based on what society has told them it is Ooo Aloysius, they would so disagree with you! Their perception of society is that it is amoral since it is based on a class system which holds money as status rather than a morality which is for the common good. Their belief system is political and they would utterly refute that it has anything to do with Christianity since they hold that my belief system oppresses rather than liberates people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Morality is based on a system of beliefs not on God. I happen to believe in God, but I know a number of people who have a very strong sense of morality and absolutely no belief in the existance of God at all. Their belief system is based on a sense of the common good for all people, they would most certainly have a sense of morality that Hitler was wrong and many people with the same belief system died in the camps as a result. It pains me that they have no belief in God, but I cannot argue that they have no sense of morality as a result! ok . . . who's system of beliefes? Who decides what the "common good" is? I am not suggesting here, Ellenita, that people who don't believe in God are immoral or even amoral. They might have a morality that is very similar to ours, but what do they base it on. Who decides what is moral and what isn't. How do we determine what is the common good. The things you mentioned like beliefs (which necessitate some faith) and "common good" which is a Catholic theological category are in fact based on God . . . What I am saying is this: If you say that morality is not based on God . . . then what is it based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 BLAZr, What is the correct spelling for Falliblism (the philosophy that reality is based solely on individual perception)? The idea that all of reality is based solely on individual percetion is Positivism http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12312c.htm Fallibilism is a theory that asserts that ALL claims to knowledge can be mistaken http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/...fallibilism.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I tried to be an atheist, but common sense overcame me. Mortimer J. Adler is the most influential and respected American philosopher of the 20th century. His little tome called "How to Think About God" should be required reading. He became a Catholic in December, 1999, at the age of 87. It's never too late to get it right! He was always "Catholic" in his thinking and taught Thomas Aquinas at U Chicago for years. Co-founder of the Great Books program. I am so proud to be a Catholic! Katholikos Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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