Paladin D Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [b]NOTE:[/b] I'm in no way against praise and worship, it's a beautiful way to praise God. Growing up in a charismatic (AoG/Pentecostal) atmosphere, praise and worship was viewed upon as one of the highest forms of worship. Miracles would happen, people moving in the Spirit, people speaking in tongues, etc. I also see this a lot in a lot in Protestant services (and on TBN). I would say that praise and worship is edified more in Protestant services compared to a Catholic Mass, because they lack the Eucharist. Praise and worship is important, but how I grew up... praise and worship was the center piece of the whole experience, while we as Catholics... the Eucharist is. Not bashing Protestants [b]at all[/b], just thought some of you would know what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I know what you're talking about. No debate from me... Although, a friend of my mentioned that the center of Protestant worship USED TO BE the sermon, but that it seems that P/W has moved center stage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Paladin D' date='Dec 1 2004, 06:20 PM'] [b]NOTE:[/b] I'm in no way against praise and worship, it's a beautiful way to praise God. Growing up in a charismatic (AoG/Pentecostal) atmosphere, praise and worship was viewed upon as one of the highest forms of worship. Miracles would happen, people moving in the Spirit, people speaking in tongues, etc. I also see this a lot in a lot in Protestant services (and on TBN). I would say that praise and worship is edified more in Protestant services compared to a Catholic Mass, because they lack the Eucharist. Praise and worship is important, but how I grew up... praise and worship was the center piece of the whole experience, while we as Catholics... the Eucharist is. Not bashing Protestants [b]at all[/b], just thought some of you would know what I'm talking about. [/quote] Of course, from a Roman point of view, this all holds up. However, as an Anglican I still say that the focal point of our worship is the Eucharist, in which we renew our covenant with God. Rome likes to say that we don't have a valid Eucharist, however, as anyone with a cursory knowledge of the criterion by which the Pope condemned our orders as invalid knows, by the same criterion that Rome judges our orders invalid, she judges her own orders likewise. Of course, the sermon is still important, and I wish more Roman Catholics would realize this. One of the things that irked me about my days as a Roman Catholic is that I was constantly [i]bored[/i] during the Liturgy of the Word. I was not challenged. The sermons were bland and taught me nothing about the Word of God that I didn't already know, nor did they challenge me to follow Christ in a deeper way (I found this extremely prevalent when I started attending a Cathedral parish - Fr. Shawn and Fr. Raymond at the University fellowship I attended were [i]excellent[/i] preachers - in fact, I'd consider them, along with the Most Rev. Archbishop of the diocese in which I live, the best Roman Catholic homilists I've ever heard in my life - but when the University students went home for the summer, there was no more Newman House mass, and thus, I had to go to the Cathedral) - where there were numerous different priests on staff, and a different preacher at every Mass. Edited December 2, 2004 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I think Paladin and I were both referring to "low" churches... non-liturgical types... Not liturgical churches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 2, 2004 Author Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 1 2004, 08:37 PM'] I think Paladin and I were both referring to "low" churches... non-liturgical types... Not liturgical churches... [/quote] Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gal. 5:22,23 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Oh, no! I'm low! Once again, it depends upon the Protestant church you attend. Most churches that I have been a part of are very sermon-centered. But I think with the popularity of contemporary Christian music, praise and worship time has become more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Thats partily one reason why I was so lukewarm in my faith when I was Lutheran. Especially at contemporary services, it seemed like the purpose of church was to entertain people on Sunday morning. Have a little rock concert, hand out wine and bread afterwards... And then I went to the Good Friday service at the cathedral. The focus on the Eucharist is what makes the Catholic church more spiritually fulfilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 In my broad experience with Protestant churches, there tends to be a pretty even split in the service between praise and worship and sermon, typically somewhere around 45 minutes of each. Even churches that have been more liturgical in the past are tending towards this model. And, I think the music in a typical Protestant church is most definitely designed to manipulate the emotions and provide an exhilarating experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aloha918 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 i completely agree....protestants tend to look more one the feeling of faith compared to the day to day understanding of catholics....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='aloha918' date='Dec 2 2004, 11:51 AM'] i completely agree....protestants tend to look more one the feeling of faith compared to the day to day understanding of catholics....... [/quote] I found that Protestant churches tended toward one of two extremes -- either they were very theologically heavy, or very emotionally heavy. It's very rare to find a church that is offers any sort of balanced approach to faith. That's one of the things that really attracted me to Catholicism -- I don't have to check either my brain or my emotions at the door when I go to worship. I get to worship God as a whole person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 [quote]I would say that praise and worship is edified more in Protestant services compared to a Catholic Mass, because they lack the Eucharist[/quote] i agree, in general. [quote]but how I grew up... praise and worship was the center piece of the whole experience[/quote] well, worship should be the center piece, in a sense. your church here happened to use 'praise and worship' as its main worship, catholics use the eucharist as its main worship (you know what i mean, right?) but i dont think this is the case of most non-catholic churches. maybe, impossible to tell. [quote]Not bashing Protestants [b]at all[/b], just thought some of you would know what I'm talking about.[/quote] gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 Mulls is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 [quote name='Sojourner' date='Dec 2 2004, 11:55 AM'] I found that Protestant churches tended toward one of two extremes -- either they were very theologically heavy, or very emotionally heavy. It's very rare to find a church that is offers any sort of balanced approach to faith. That's one of the things that really attracted me to Catholicism -- I don't have to check either my brain or my emotions at the door when I go to worship. I get to worship God as a whole person. [/quote] I have found that Anglicans, Lutherans, and Presbyterians especially emphasize the sermon (the latter two especially, and the third verymuch so) yet they attach great importance to the Lord's Supper as well. Spiritually as well as intellectually fulfilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 [quote]i agree, in general. [/quote] Mulls, you admit that your church does not celebrate the Lord's Supper? How sad[quote]....*subliminal message*leaveyourchurchandjoinananglicanorlutheranchurch*subliminalmessage*[/quote] [quote]well, worship should be the center piece, in a sense. your church here happened to use 'praise and worship' as its main worship, catholics use the eucharist as its main worship (you know what i mean, right?)[/quote] Mulls, you are straying dangerously close to religious relativism here. I would caution you on this - our primary act of worshipping God is not a matter of 'different strokes for different folks' - in fact, I would be willing to biblically and historically defend the idea that the celebration of the Lord's Supper is the central part of the Christian worship service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 (edited) [quote] Mulls, you admit that your church does not celebrate the Lord's Supper? How sad[/quote] no, that's not what i said at all. in fact, my church celebrates the Lord's Supper every week, and it is the culmination of our worship, and i LOVE it. i was (sadly) agreeing with the generalization that most churches do not celebrate the Lord's Supper frequently, hence it is not an important part of their worship. [quote]....*subliminal message*leaveyourchurchandjoinananglicanorlutheranchurch*subliminalmessage*[/quote] [quote]Mulls, you are straying dangerously close to religious relativism here. I would caution you on this - our primary act of worshipping God is not a matter of 'different strokes for different folks' - in fact, I would be willing to biblically and historically defend the idea that the celebration of the Lord's Supper is the central part of the Christian worship service[/quote] i wouldn't disagree. i hope my post above eases your conscience about my church. i appreciate the looking out though. like i said, i was just agreeing with the broad, general statement that paladin made. i should have been specific as to where i was coming from. Edited December 3, 2004 by mulls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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