the lumberjack Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 so, I've seen more recent pics of the pope carrying his staff with the ungodly symbol on it. whats up with that? can ANYONE justify that to me? how is that right? [img]http://www.cephasministry.com/fig1.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 That's a Crucifix.... y'know... a representation of that guy who died on a tree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aloha918 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I love how some can accept that christ died for us......they just can't look at it......................plus what makes you think of Jesus more....a cross....or a crusifix...........hmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 no, its not the crucifix...hold for image conformation.... the Pontifical Crucifix JPII is holding: [img]http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/pope1.jpg[/img] the Catholic Church crucifix: [img]http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/crucifix102.gif[/img] Please notice the Crucifix that Pope John Paul II is holding up to the people. Study it closely, and you will realize that it is not a Traditional Crucifix, as shown above. Rather, this Crucifix is known as a "Bent Cross". But, what does that mean? For the answer to that question, let us turn to a Roman Catholic author, Piers Compton, writing in his book, "The Broken Cross: Hidden Hand In the Vatican", Channel Islands, Neville Spearman, 1981. This Bent Crucifix is "... a sinister symbol, used by Satanists in the sixth century, that had been revived at the time of Vatican Two. This was a bent or broken cross, on which was displayed a repulsive and distorted figure of Christ, which the black magicians and sorcerers of the Middle Ages had made use of to represent the Biblical term 'Mark of the Beast'. Yet, not only Paul VI, but his successors, the two John-Pauls, carried that object and held it up to be revered by crowds, who had not the slightest idea that it stood for anti-Christ." (p. 72) On page 56 Compton prints a picture of the current Pope, John Paul II, holding this bent or broken cross, just as we have shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='aloha918' date='Dec 1 2004, 12:53 PM'] I love how some can accept that christ died for us......they just can't look at it......................plus what makes you think of Jesus more....a cross....or a crusifix...........hmmmmmm [/quote] do you need a flood to remind you of God's vengeful power? or will a rainbow which is the promise He gave enough? Christ went up on the cross, yes. but did He not conquer it? did He not leave it as I wear it...empty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 yep, we are literal Catholics, sort of like when He said, "this is My Body" THis is My Blood". The Crucifix is the sign of Christianity, its the Body on the cross that is important, not the bare wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aloha918 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 my goodness...........yes the pope is using a satanistic symbol to bless the faithful........also we all know that back in christs day they had wood factories making wood perfectly straight.......this "ungodly" symbol is probably more realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 totally avoiding the topic...sidestepping it...dancing and pointing fingers in other directions... thats fine. he still holds a satanic symbol in his hand...nothing y'all say can change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 So calling a crucifix - the body Of Christ on a Cross is Satanic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:18 PM'] totally avoiding the topic...sidestepping it...dancing and pointing fingers in other directions... thats fine. he still holds a satanic symbol in his hand...nothing y'all say can change that. [/quote] lumberjack, you are not very well-read it seems on what a broken Cross is... a broken cross is what you see in the peace symbol. Turn the peace symbol upside-down, and you will see that it is a broken Cross... not a slightly bending piece of wood on the Cross... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Dec 1 2004, 02:57 PM'] did He not leave it [i.e. the cross] as I wear it...empty? [/quote] Ironically, there was a long time in the history of Protestantism in which they rejected the use of crosses, just as they rejected the crucifix. Oh...and by the way, did you protest the visual portrayal of Our Lord in Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ?" If you didn't, you're guilty of idolotry, according to the same iconoclast Protestant logic that rejects the crucifix. This all reminds me of the Remnant of God website. That's a good laugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 1 2004, 01:20 PM'] So calling a crucifix - the body Of Christ on a Cross is Satanic? [/quote] don't try to make me out to say something you know I'm not, cmom. your coaxing is childish at best. and GC, you should probly look into the matter more. [url="http://www.the-pope.com/paul6.html"]look here[/url] [url="http://www.truecatholic.org/brokencross.htm"]and here too[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:18 PM'] nothing y'all say can change that. [/quote] Alas, not even the truth evidently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aloha918 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 dont take this the wrong way.....but i think the pope knows what he is doing........he is a very well educated man........and so are other advisers and such......and i would ahve to assume that they know a little more about this stuff than you do.....granted i dont really know you...but i think we both can assume that the pope knows what he is doing........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 i PERSONALLY wouldn't wear a crucifix...thats YOUR personal opinion...I NEVER said I have anything against the crucifix. and mateo, no I didn't have anything against The Passion... I have something against this abhorrid image that is carried around in the name of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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