burnsspivey Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 6 2004, 01:37 PM'] I never said anything about pregnancy, I said the reproductive cells, which by the time of pregnency are already makeing up the infant, the mutation of chromosomes specificly is what I was addressing. Therefore Birth defects can result from the smoking of marijuana at the Chromosomal level ther is DIRECT evidence for this I just posted it. [/quote] "While cannabinoidinduced effects on cell structure and function, coupled with cannabinoid-mediated modification in macromolecular biosynthesis, are consistent with such a contention, direct experimental evidence for an effect of cannabinoids on expression of specific genes has to date not been reported." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 People. Being OBTUSE is not a virture. The link between schizophrenia and pot was again in the news within the last few weeks. Don't you people watch news or read news on-line. Put a little effort into finding out yourselves. Go to www.schizophrenia.com and read up. You can't claim that they're biased. They have links to more recent research with more than 10 supporting links to this on their site:[quote]Schizophrenia Factors Relevant to Children and Teens 1. Street Drugs increase risk of Schizophrenia - [b]use of street drugs (marijuana/hash - cannabis, etc.) have been linked with significantly increased probability of developing schizophrenia.[/b] Psychiatrists in inner-city areas speak of cannabis being a factor in up to 80 per cent of schizophrenia cases. Researchers in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis by the age of 15 were more than three times (300%) more likely to develop illnesses such as schizophrenia. [b]Other research has backed this up, showing that cannabis use increases the risk of psychosis by up to 700 per cent for heavy users, and that the risk increases in proportion to the amount of cannabis used (smoked or consumed). [/b] [b]Today, there are over 30 published papers linking marijuana to schizophrenia or other mental disorders. [/b]The increase in evidence during the past decade could be tied to the increased potency of marijuana. A review by the British Lung Association says that the cannabis available on the streets today is 15 times more powerful than the joints being smoked three decades ago. [b]The damage that someone does to their brain by smoking marijuana (or taking other street drugs) when they are younger (under the age of 18) may only become evident later in life;[/b] between the ages of 19 and 30, when the person develops schizophrenia. Schizophrenia can sometimes be triggered by heavy use of hallucinogenic drugs, especially LSD; but it appears that one has to have a predisposition towards developing schizophrenia for this to occur. There is also some evidence suggesting that people suffering from schizophrenia but responding to treatment can have an episode as a result of use of LSD. Methamphetamine and PCP also mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia, and can trigger ongoing symptoms of schizophrenia in those who are vulnerable.[/quote] How about this. Provide some RECENT Scientific studies that prove it isn't harmful.... Carrie, Your claim that "there is no proof that marijuana causes schizophrenia" is almost idiocy. It's just like the tobacco industry saying there is no "proof" that tobacco causes cancer. The "proof" theyre looking for is the exact scientific reasons and understanding of how it causes cancer, not the conclusion derived from statistics and logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Marijuwana is bad, mmmkay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 [QUOTE]You are convinced that marijuana had an effect on testes and the production on male sperm which brings about abnormal chromosome development? [b]Yes, we certainly have evidence that the chromosomes are no longer normal, that there is a higher frequency of clumping of chromosomes so that when the cell divides, two equal cells are not produced. We know that in some condition in humans and in animals this is associated with severe defects, such as mongolism, in which an extra chromosome is present. [/b] [/qoute] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 its still not a sin for me to smoke where its legal, in moderation on the real though u guys raise good points about the bad effects of pot...when i used to smoke all the time i was parnoid alot, i'll admit that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 [quote name='Delivery Boy' date='Dec 6 2004, 06:34 PM'] its still not a sin for me to smoke where its legal, in moderation [/quote] What level of moderation is not harmful? Do you know? Why smoke at all? What are your reasons to smoke pot? Seriously. Please answer these questions and let's discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 (edited) I ask you to all read this, it might help. Click [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=24549"]here[/url] God bless! Edited December 7, 2004 by drewmeister2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 [quote name='jasJis' date='Dec 6 2004, 07:11 PM'] What level of moderation is not harmful? Do you know? Why smoke at all? What are your reasons to smoke pot? Seriously. Please answer these questions and let's discuss. [/quote] smokeing a joint once a month or if even that is not harmfull why pass judgement on someone who does this and tell them its a sin ?? thats not right to do....... you ask whats the point of even smokeing at all ?? i like the relaxed feeling i get after i smoke, thats all like i say its something i dont even do that often but if i want to, i have the liberty to do it just like somene has the liberty to have a couple drinks if they want to the only person i have to anwser to if i chooze to do this, is God and if God does not condem me for doing this, then im fine it doesnt matter if my brothers and sisters wanna judge me or not the reason im so presistant on this, is becuz some people on this board are so arroagant and persistant to say that someone is sinning who choozes to use their free will, to do something that cant even be prooved biblicaly that its a sin.... I know people, good people, who work 40 hours + a week, who go hunting and when they hunt they will smoke a joint.....and they dont need to be condemed by "christains" and told their sinning when their not judgeing nobody and just dong their thing...... like i say, im not telling nobody else to go smoke, all im saying is if i chooze to, my brother or sister should not pass judgement on me, becuz that is not their role..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 (edited) and to be truefull, i dont wanna even agrue this nomore really becuz i see where most of you are comeing from, your opionon is comeing out of love. I realise that, you dont want people to have their lifes ruined by drugs. So I agree with that and i commend you for takeing that stance. Drugs are horrible, ive had friends who abused drugs, hard drugs, like coke and meth....And to be honest, marijuana was prolly the gateway drug that started all that junk. The only reason I keep posting is, becuz this is a debate table......And when it comes to stickly "marijuana" i do belive in what im saying.......I think a mature adult, who has his life together, should be able to smoke a joint, if he choozes to, without being condemmed and told he is sinning......Its one thing to tell someone out of love that what their doing may be wrong and may be dangerous to them.....but its another thing to take a "cocky and arrogant" stance and just start condeming them, when in all reality, IT MAY NOT EVEN BE A SIN IN GOD'S EYES.........cocky, self rightous, arrogant condeming is something i cant stand..........peace n love..... Edited December 7, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 another thing most of you agree that medical marijuana is fine ok Jesus tells us to either declare a tree and its fruits good or to declare them rotton so therefore, we declare that marijuana is good, it cant be both good and rotton, its either one or the other now alot of you will say " well wait, its good if used to help someone sick but if being used for recreational use then its bad " it cant be that way though, true it can be bad if its abused and not used in moderation..........But if its look good in Gods eyes, then its good....that simple.....so therefore, if somene choozes to use it in moderation, God is not gonna trip out and say " What are you doing !?!?!? Thats not for you to use !!! its only for if your sick !!!!!! " Noway, if its look good upon in Gods eyes, then its good, that simple......and if somene choozes to use something that is good in Gods eyes, in moderation, then I dont think no'one has the right to appoint themselfes as "judge" and tell that person that they are sinning......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 [quote name='Delivery Boy' date='Dec 6 2004, 07:30 PM'] I know people, good people, who work 40 hours + a week, who go hunting and when they hunt they will smoke a joint..... [/quote] Yeah...except hunting while intoxicated (whether by alcohol or drugs) is a very dangerous thing. Those people better hope that the Game and Wildlife officials don't stop by while they're "enjoying hunting while relaxing in their own way". Besides the fact that marijuana messes with your coordination and mind, it is illegal in this country (at least currently it is). I would have less of a problem if they chose to smoke alone in their own house (not that I'm condoning illegal drugs of any sort). But when they're in the outdoors, with firearms and potentially with other nearby while high, it seems like a recipie for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 (edited) lol i cant win that was a terrible example i stated their on their own private property but ur right and i see what your sayen grrrrrr im gonna miss the ymca argueing about marijuana again lol ya smokeing and hunting in a public place is not a good idea Edited December 7, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Dec 6 2004, 07:47 PM'] (not that I'm condoning illegal drugs of any [/quote] and thats not my thing either thats where i think im being taken wrong i dont support no other drugs none i just think that a mature adult should be able to smoke marijuana if he choozes its not a dangerous drug and not to get into the whole alcahaul thing, but deffitenly when abused, alcahaul is far more dangerous then pot but i aint even tryen to get into all that again again my stance is comeing from "someone who is a mature, responsible adult, who is in Christ Jesus and is under grace " peace Edited December 7, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 D Boy, You aren't being taken wrong. It's frustrating to you because you are finding out you can't have your cake and eat it too. God does not say "don't go too far, you'll go over the cliff", He says, "Come and stay up here with me." That doesn't mean you can dance at the edge of the cliff and say "see, I'm up here with You and can see over the cliff like I want to as well". Walk away from the edge. That is what self sacrifice is about. Some actions are okay, some are better, and still others are best. Just as there are minor sins and major (mortal) sins. My Brother. I pray you will choose to no longer dare fate so you can dance at the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 [quote name='Delivery Boy' date='Dec 6 2004, 08:30 PM'] but if i want to, i have the liberty to do it just like somene has the liberty to have a couple drinks if they want to the only person i have to anwser to if i chooze to do this, is God [/quote] wrrrrroong! You will be judged by the American courts and if you are very unlucky thrown in jail for this. You should not be buying pot or growing it because it is illegal, aside from the fact that it is immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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