God Conquers Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 [quote]why does God call himself "the most high "[/quote] WHAT!? Definately not because he's the biggest drug-user! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 (edited) wow. Delivery Boy, you need to lay off the wacky tobacky. You might be able to rationalize your drug use better if you stopped doing them... I understand that you think it's not a big deal, but you are wrong. I used to smoke weed, a lot. It's no good. If you are at the point where you are smoking weed to 'relax' then you are most definitely a habitual smoker...which is bad even by your logic. It means you have gotten through the initial "oh my gosh I'm high hee hee hee" phase and started your sloping descent into perpetual befuddlement and eventual incompetence. It means that you are dependent on the drug. Dependence is not addiction, but you have it in your head that you can use marijuana to relax just like a beer. Get real. A beer doesn't change your personality. Every one of my friends who has smoked weed to relax has gradually lost the skill they need to get a good job. They have very bad people skills, and they don't have the motivation to even get a job half the time. Which is sad because they used to be actors or gifted students, and all very good to be around. I would challenge you to cut weed out of your life since it's illegal anyway. If you want to use the Bible to justify polluting your mind and flushing your potential down the toilet, then chew on this from Romans 14:21, "It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble." Edited December 4, 2004 by toledo_jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 "The only thing we know for sure about long-term marijuana smoking is that it increases the likelihood of respiratory ailments" (Abnormal Psychology, 9th Edition, 2005. Authors: Lauren B. Alloy, John H. Riskind, and Margaret J. Manos). Basically, even experts say there is no proof that marijuana smoking does any more damage than smoking cigarettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 (edited) toledo jesus im just debateing i still stand by what i say i dont view marijuana as a sin, if its legal and used in moderation i nolonger smoke weed, i havent smoked weed in a long time that doesnt mean that i wouldnt though and i have a good job im a care providor for handicap people i go to the ymca and work out at least 4 times a week im an active person im just debateing on here and saying what is my opionon Edited December 4, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 I still challenge someone, by useing the bible, to prove to me how pot would be wrong if used in moderation and was legal........and dont come with the arguement that one puff is the equivelnt of being drunk, becuz that is not true at all......... and toledo jesus this versre right here, read it, i am not takeing it out of contex at all " I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; still, it is unclean for someone who thinks its unclean." that right there could apply to marijuana, like i say i dont even smoke nomore.....but i will stand up for this right, becuz its not your role to judge and say what is a sin.........Nothening is unclean in Christ Jesus.........how much more clearly does that have to be said ???? God created it and said it was good if you choze not to use it fine, and if you view it as a sin, then fine, its a sin for you but your crossing your boundries when you take your judgement and inforse it on someone else, telling them that it is a sin...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 (edited) [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 4 2004, 04:24 PM'] wow. Delivery Boy, you need to lay off the wacky tobacky. You might be able to rationalize your drug use better if you stopped doing them... I understand that you think it's not a big deal, but you are wrong. I used to smoke weed, a lot. It's no good. If you are at the point where you are smoking weed to 'relax' then you are most definitely a habitual smoker...which is bad even by your logic. It means you have gotten through the initial "oh my gosh I'm high hee hee hee" phase and started your sloping descent into perpetual befuddlement and eventual incompetence. It means that you are dependent on the drug. Dependence is not addiction, but you have it in your head that you can use marijuana to relax just like a beer. Get real. A beer doesn't change your personality. Every one of my friends who has smoked weed to relax has gradually lost the skill they need to get a good job. They have very bad people skills, and they don't have the motivation to even get a job half the time. Which is sad because they used to be actors or gifted students, and all very good to be around. I would challenge you to cut weed out of your life since it's illegal anyway. If you want to use the Bible to justify polluting your mind and flushing your potential down the toilet, then chew on this from Romans 14:21, "It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble." [/quote] see im not at that point you cant take your experience and suppose everyone else is the same boat. I see what your sayen, you had an addiction to pot, and im very happy for you that you were strong enough to break this addiction, and i see where your comeing from. Like I said I would never encourage anyone to smoke weed, neverrrrrr.......but your takeing your pesonal experince, and takeing your judgements and putting them on other people......im not addicted to mariuana, i dont even smoke the stuff, but if i want to i have the right to, without you telling me that its a sin..............picture this, you go across the globe, the peole there, sitting out where there is no electricty, singing there songs, doing there thing...and their smokeing their peace pipes.......your telling me, that you KNOW that if marijuana is in their pipes, that they are sinning ??? when did you become judge??? thats not your call my friend.........i Edited December 4, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Dec 4 2004, 02:12 PM'] WHAT!? Definately not because he's the biggest drug-user! [/quote] so in this whole big world your saying anyone that smokes marijuana is a "drug user" and your saying this in a negative way, condeming them ??? Again, If God created marijuana and said it was good, he has no problem with it.. im not disrespting God when I made that comparison.........Whats the tree of life in revelations ?? We have to take this to live forever, its used as medicine, it grows in Heaven.......wuts so crazy to think this could be marijuana ??? there's two ways you can view "marijuana" 1) you can view it in an intelligent way, remembering its been here since God created the earth, that it has very good uses to heal people who are suffering and so on.......2) or you can view it as the nasty intollerable drug that america has made it look to be, like its evil and disguisting and has no place in this world please forgive me, but if your gonna pick 2.......tell me how in the world i can go into the liquer store and buy a 100 proof bottle of liquer and go on about my way......it dont even make sence...........im not saying legalize pot, i could care less....but its stupid when people decide they wanna be the "judge" and start condeming people for stuff they know nothening about.....if your gonna go that route, then condem the same people who are seling the liquer "legaly" and killing people in car crashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 D Boy, Address my assertations that it is sinful. Use the bible or logic to refute my claims and conclusions. Can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltuba Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 2 2004, 07:01 PM'] Pot is a mind altering substance ( and a mutagen) [/quote] Please, please, please, please, please, please stop calling pot a "mutagen". I'm not even finished reading the entire thread, but I have to get this in or I'll be pulling my hair out soon. First of all, the is no such thing as a mutagen (it took all the willpower I had not to capslock that). The only known substance to alter DNA is radioactive materials. Don't you think that if there was something in pot that could wiggle it's way into every individual cell in your body and change the genetic makeup of said cells (<b>every</b> cell in your body), science would be trying to isolate that compound and altering it to cure genetic defects and make gene alterations to fight aging?! I don't know where you heard that, but it certainly wasn't the CDC. Marijuana is not a communicable disease, so I'm pretty sure it's not in their jurisdiction. To read some actual analysis of scientific studies (with references to said studies and reports), go here: [url="http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/general/mjmyth/exposing_index_1095.html"]http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/g...index_1095.html[/url] I'm going to finish reading the thread now. I might post more, might not. --Tim Edited December 5, 2004 by cooltuba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 (edited) [quote name='jasJis' date='Dec 4 2004, 06:57 PM'] D Boy, Address my assertations that it is sinful. Use the bible or logic to refute my claims and conclusions. Can you? [/quote] first off peace to you brother i read over what you wrote and I agree with everything you said. Im not trying to say that everyone should go smoke pot. I agree that it can ruin lifes, lead to harder drugs, depression, all that stuff. My only arguement is, that it is up to the indivigual to decide if they chose to use this drug or not. And that isnt even really relevent in america becuz its illegal. So technically that right there makes it sinfull here. Im not argueing that. My point is, that someone who does not use pot has no right to condem the person who choozes to use it. Like for instance, if I was somewhere where pot was legal and I choze to smoke, that is my choice. Smokeing pot in moderation is not a terrible thing. I think its more sinfull for someone to condem someone who choozes to do this. What did Jesus say, do not judge unless you want to be judged. Marijuana is natural. The indians smoked it and i bet the pilgrims smoked it to. Back then it wasnt "MARIJAUNA, O MY GOSH, WUT A EVIL THING" It was simply a plant jus like tobacco is a plant. And if God didnt condem people back then for smokeing pot, he isnt gonna condem them today for smokeing pot. Again as long as it doenst become a stumbling block for your brother, or as long as its not abused to where it becomes sin in your life.........My only point is, that to come out and say "Anyone who uses marijuana at all, is sinning " is obsurd and irrational.........And again, pot is something I dont even really care about, but I do know that it is wrong to pass judgent on your brother for what they chose to put in their body........Thats like when the extreme Christians trip out and try to say that everybody sitten in a bar or a moose lodge is on their way to hell....its jus dumb and irrational.......... Edited December 5, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 (edited) [quote name='jasJis' date='Dec 3 2004, 07:48 AM'] Truthfully, recreational abuse of pot is a grave sin. [/QUOTE "abuse" is the key word Edited December 5, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 "In the later times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." (Paul: 1 Timothy 1-4) the bible speaks of spirtual meats......... Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; that which cometh out of the mouth defileth a man." (Mat. 15:11) I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost." (Paul: Romans 14: 2,3,13,14,17) 'Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged' " (Matthew 7:1-4). And " 'Let him who is without sin cast the first stone' " (John 8:7). And the earth brought forth grass and herb yielding seed after its kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:12) God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Gen. 1:29-31) And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. (Ezekiel 34:29) And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielding her fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (Rev. 22:1-2) "The Lord said unto me, 'I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs.' " -- Isaiah 18:4-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 [quote name='cooltuba' date='Dec 4 2004, 07:06 PM'] Please, please, please, please, please, please stop calling pot a "mutagen". I'm not even finished reading the entire thread, but I have to get this in or I'll be pulling my hair out soon. First of all, the is no such thing as a mutagen (it took all the willpower I had not to capslock that). The only known substance to alter DNA is radioactive materials. Don't you think that if there was something in pot that could wiggle it's way into every individual cell in your body and change the genetic makeup of said cells (<b>every</b> cell in your body), science would be trying to isolate that compound and altering it to cure genetic defects and make gene alterations to fight aging?! [/quote] There are many other substances besides radiation that wreak havoc upon the DNA. Thalidomide comes to mind. Pregnant mothers who would take it during pregnancy would end up with children with serious birth defects. I've even heard of a thalidomide-defected person who had a child that had defects similar to the effects of thalidomide, which could have possibly altered the DNA of his germ cells (testes) and passed said defects onto his child. UV light is known to scramble DNA up, but it is a form of nonionizing radiation.... I'm not sure if marijuana has mutagens in it or not....but don't say that there is no such thing as a mutagen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 apparently marijuana affects comprehension of posts. the word I used was dependence, not addiction. they are different. I was dependent on weed, not addicted. If you don't smoke anymore, good. I'm glad. I think you should lose this "If God made it it must be good" attitude. Nothing is evil in and of itself, as your verses point out. However, the way man uses something is what determines if it's good or evil. I'm not speaking from just my experience, I am also speaking as somebody who has been present for the decline of one good friend and a number of other acquaintances. I've made it a point to compare them and they've come up lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 D Boy, What you complain about is a generalization or stereotyping. There is no historical evidence that "pot" smoking was prevelant in any culture in the same magnitude that alcohol is. The VAST majority of people can drink alcohol and it not be a problem. The same is not true with pot smokers. There is much more chemical change with pot. A larger percentage of people who smoke pot have problems as compared with alcohol drinkers. Please don't be so upset with people who know pot smoking is bad and illegal in America and take offense to their condemnation. You are stereotyping and generalizing too. Just because Indians smoked pot, doesn't make it okay. The THC content back then is nothing like what's used today, just like it isn't like what was used in the 70's. One can drink 2 beers and not have near the debilitating effect of sharing a joint or toking up a bowl. People don't take 3 hits off a joint and stop like many people have 1 beer and stop. [u]Attempts to use pot "recreationally" always is abuse [/u]because one gets much more affected in a shorter amount of time. It's effects as compared to alcohol are different, but no less debilitating. That in itself is why it's sinful. Getting drunk is sinful as well, having 1 or 2 drinks isn't. If pot is legal in a certain County, some of the social negatives of pot use (burdening drug interdiction activities) are not there so it would be less of a sin then here in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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