Guest Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I think drugs are terrible, and i have seen them ruin lifes....so ya marijuana is surely a drug, and i think it can be a very bad drug when abused and also when used as a gateway drug to harder drugs.......but pot in itself, if used in modest amounts, can be very usefull, you know how many aritst use pot ?? i dont think its someting anyone should endorse, like paul said, if you by choozeing to eat, cause your brother to sin, that you have sinned also.....but i think alota people are ingnorant about it, and come out with very off the wall and harsh opionons..and im not sayen thats wrong, becuz after all, their heart is in the right place attacking drugs........but think about way back in the day, b-4 "marijuana" was illegal, back then i bet tons of people smoked, and if it wasnt a sin back then to smoke, it cant be a sin now to smoke.....ya i see the point about it being illegal, so ya, thats a good point, we cant do whats illegal.......and im not even tryen to go way out there on this one...but in the scriptures it says " that Jesus, the son of man, came both eating and drinking, and they said he was possessed by demons" remember, God gave us every seed bearing plant to be used as food.........i know if you asked me what was more dangerous, a bottle of 80 proof liquer or a rolled up joint, i could confidently tell you that the liquer is way more dangerous.....ya pot has bad effects, esspially when people become addicted and live non motivated lifes....but if used in moderation, by a mature adult, i dont see what the problem is....remember, God is the same yesterday as he his today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A Tall Guy Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='thedude' date='Dec 1 2004, 10:00 PM'] I have never seen a drug user that used weed to get a "light buzz". That's just my experience. [/quote] *raises hand*. I disliked getting stoned; most of the time I smoked I was explicity aiming for "light buzz". I also never smoked enough to build up any tolerance. Never was much of a pot-head. [quote]The point of smoking the garbage is to get high. You're wasting your money if you aren't at least getting blazed. wasting it further, I mean.[/quote] I know that was the thinking of some of my pot-head friends, but it was never mine. It's the same reasoning that my alcoholic friend used against me, "you're wasting your money if you stop after two beers, because the point of drinking is to get drunk. Here, have another." Interesting thread. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='drewmeister2' date='Dec 1 2004, 11:11 PM'] Yes, ironmonk, I actually have read those paragraphs before. But keep in mind, only recently has science shown how bad smoking tobacco really is, and Im sure, in the future, that the Church may change their stance on tobacco. I would say, to discern whether or not something is really good or harmful for your body, look at whether it hurts your health. We are also instructed in the Catechism to take care of our bodies, and if we do drugs, and we know that these drugs do harm, then we are sinning, because we are explicitly told not to harm our bodies. That is probably the best way to go. I think right now, though, the Church has bigger issues than cigarettes, with sexual sins being a major problem right now morally. God bless! [/quote] It has been theorized for centuries that Tobacco can cause health problems. The Church will not be changing her position. Toacco effects different people in different ways, much like many other things such as sugar, various saturated fats, etc. When used in moderation, there is nothing sinful about it, ontologically or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Weed rewires your brain, do you really think God gave you excess brain cells to waste? I grew up in the 60's, some of the people who were doing weed back then have been in a permanent fog for years. Some of them now need keepers. Would you like your mom to have to take care of you forever? The light buzz is NOT worth it in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 It's much safer to stick with good uisce beatha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 read the marijuana question in the Q&A. Especially the last part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnsspivey Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 2 2004, 10:03 AM'] read the marijuana question in the Q&A. Especially the last part. [/quote] [quote]Marijuana (and all drugs that affect the cognitive faculties) is ALWAYS morally illicit because it violates the human dignity of man by inhibiting his ability to make a moral choice. [/quote] How is this different from alcohol or tobacco? Tobacco definitely effects cognitive function as does alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennyLane Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Let's say Mary Jane was legal in the US... would it still be a sin?? Smoking cigs aren't a sin... either are smoking cigars. You can drive while high, you can study while you're high, you can do pretty much anything while you're high on Marijuana. It just gives you the munchies and makes your senses more in tune with what's going on. I guess I can see a point though, you aren't suppose to drink toget drunk andif you smoke up, your intention is to get high... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnsspivey Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='PennyLane' date='Dec 2 2004, 01:38 PM'] I guess I can see a point though, you aren't suppose to drink toget drunk andif you smoke up, your intention is to get high... [/quote] That's mostly true because marijuana is illegal. What if it were as common as cigarettes? Cigarettes and alcohol give many people a buzz -- what if people smoked marijuana just to get a buzz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 tobacco doesn't do the same thing weed does. alcohol doesn't do the same thing weed does. they are all of them different. they act on your brain differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 2 2004, 02:29 PM'] tobacco doesn't do the same thing weed does. alcohol doesn't do the same thing weed does. they are all of them different. they act on your brain differently. [/quote] very true but i dunno how 80 proof liquer can be legal and yet pot is illegal im glad though, cuz it would be a gateway drug and get people to use harder drugs but then again, if you had to pick wuts worse, liquer is way more dangerous then marijuana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Look guys I've done weed and to tell you the truth I still do on accasions ... Its no big deal Im in perfect control of what I do so o well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnsspivey Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 2 2004, 02:29 PM'] tobacco doesn't do the same thing weed does. alcohol doesn't do the same thing weed does. they are all of them different. they act on your brain differently. [/quote] You are correct and yet that is not an answer to my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Pot is a gateway drug because of the culture surrounding the drug. Most people who sold and smoked pot were also into other drugs. Someone who wanted to smoke pot would likely associate with these people and gradually move on to hard drugs under the influence of others. I've got several friends who drink but do not smoke or do drugs. I hang out and drink with them a lot and I've never been compelled to smoke or do drugs. For a while, I was hanging out with smokers and drug users and some of them tried to convince me to go a little further than alcohol, but their attempts failed. This 'gateway' effect isn't limited to drugs. Pot is as much a gateway to hard drugs (narcotics, hallucinogenics) as D&D is a gateway to paganism. I know Christians who play D&D with other Christians and they've never come close to becoming (or even acting) pagan. On the other hand, I know Christians who played D&D with non-Christians and it gradually made them non-Christian as well. The game (or the drug) is not the cause, but it's the subcultures surrounding it that influence the directions one takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' date='Dec 2 2004, 04:12 PM'] Pot is a gateway drug because of the culture surrounding the drug. Most people who sold and smoked pot were also into other drugs. Someone who wanted to smoke pot would likely associate with these people and gradually move on to hard drugs under the influence of others. I've got several friends who drink but do not smoke or do drugs. I hang out and drink with them a lot and I've never been compelled to smoke or do drugs. For a while, I was hanging out with smokers and drug users and some of them tried to convince me to go a little further than alcohol, but their attempts failed. This 'gateway' effect isn't limited to drugs. Pot is as much a gateway to hard drugs (narcotics, hallucinogenics) as D&D is a gateway to paganism. I know Christians who play D&D with other Christians and they've never come close to becoming (or even acting) pagan. On the other hand, I know Christians who played D&D with non-Christians and it gradually made them non-Christian as well. The game (or the drug) is not the cause, but it's the subcultures surrounding it that influence the directions one takes. [/quote] very well put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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