toledo_jesus Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 if a person's at the point where they smoke a little to mellow out then they have developed a habit anyway. Nobody just casually uses marijuana without at least once getting high. The point of smoking the garbage is to get high. You're wasting your money if you aren't at least getting blazed. wasting it further, I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Ironmonk, that is an interesting proposition, however, would you say that it is a mortal sin to smoke up when it is illegal? Another question... If it was legal, could you concieve a group of serious Catholics sharing a joint like they would share a beer? It sems to me this is where things break down... it just doesn't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Hey, To all of you that say 'either you're high or youre not'... well you're wrong. It is much the same as alcohol, where the amount you drink or smoke is what determines the level of inerbreation. My friends smoke up quite a bit, and theres no way that you can tell me that they always get high. Often, you can not tell when they ARE high. They have never gotten to a point where they are making bad decisions (or at least ones they wouldn't make anyways). The idea that Marijuana is sinful because you're automatically high is flat out stupid - because its just not true. Rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 1 2004, 11:38 PM'] if a person's at the point where they smoke a little to mellow out then they have developed a habit anyway. Nobody just casually uses marijuana without at least once getting high. The point of smoking the garbage is to get high. You're wasting your money if you aren't at least getting blazed. wasting it further, I mean. [/quote] My mother has glocoma... she doesn't smoke it, but she needs to use THC drops in her eyes to slow the loss of her eyesight. There are people in the world that smoke it so they can keep their eyesight and it's legal in those places. Smoking it every now and then in a place where it is legal does not equal a habit. There are people who use marijuana casually... just because you don't know any does not mean there arn't any. I know some... and if it was legal, I still do not believe it a sin. People saying it's a waste of money in a legal place have no right to say that because it's not a waste if they are not sinning, and they want to spend their money on it. Some people tell me that I waste money on alcohol... I ask them: Do you eat out? Do you get a steak at Outback or Ruths Chris? Do you go to a movie? The same applies here bro... Just because you don't like does not mean that it's a waste for others as long as they don't sin with it and it is legal. I am totally against smoking marijuana... but if it's legal and people do not smoke it to the point of drunkeness, I do not believe it to be a sin. I do not think it should be legalized because it will be abused, and it is the gateway drug for those that abuse it. I've seen what it does to people. It's not physically addictive... it is psychologically addictive when used in great quantities, or consistant prolonged use. Not when used every now and then. Tabacco is more addictive than marijuana. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Well, alot of this stuff is coming from personal experience.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Dec 1 2004, 11:41 PM'] Ironmonk, that is an interesting proposition, however, would you say that it is a mortal sin to smoke up when it is illegal? Another question... If it was legal, could you concieve a group of serious Catholics sharing a joint like they would share a beer? It sems to me this is where things break down... it just doesn't seem right. [/quote] Bro, I thought I already said that... I believe it to be a sin if it's illegal. I believe it would be a mortal sin because of what the Catechism says in 2291... as for illegal drugs. I think it's stupid to smoke anything... especially pot. If it was legal I would think a group of serious Catholics would be smarter than that. I do not believe that pot is any comparison to alchohol... a little alcohol is good for us... but a little tabacco or marijuana isn't.... unless you have glocoma then a little pot could be good. I also believe that we should consider the following in some cases... [b]Proverbs 31:6 [/b] Give strong drink to one who is perishing, and wine to the sorely depressed; [b]7 [/b]When they drink, they will forget their misery, and think no more of their burdens. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I have never seen a drug user that used weed to get a "light buzz". That's just my experience. Plus, it smells terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Dec 1 2004, 08:47 PM'] Hey, To all of you that say 'either you're high or youre not'... well you're wrong. It is much the same as alcohol, where the amount you drink or smoke is what determines the level of inerbreation. My friends smoke up quite a bit, and theres no way that you can tell me that they always get high. Often, you can not tell when they ARE high. They have never gotten to a point where they are making bad decisions (or at least ones they wouldn't make anyways). The idea that Marijuana is sinful because you're automatically high is flat out stupid - because its just not true. Rich. [/quote] You dont have to be high for it to be sinful. The fact is is that it hurts your health, even if you dont get high. I cant see any good in it. The Church says some things like alcohol are good, in moderation, but somethings, like premarital sex and drugs, are just wrong, and cant be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='drewmeister2' date='Dec 2 2004, 12:01 AM'] You dont have to be high for it to be sinful. The fact is is that it hurts your health, even if you dont get high. I cant see any good in it. The Church says some things like alcohol are good, in moderation, but somethings, like premarital sex and drugs, are just wrong, and cant be done. [/quote] With your reasoning, you must include tobacco. Tobacco does damage to some people's health... yet it's not a sin if used moderately. Please read the Catechism piece I posted above.. 2290-2291, and my comments. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 With many pot users, I've noticed that many of them have problems with other parts of their lives. It seems as if they turn to drugs to escape from stress and other problems. If one ends up using marijuana to escape from reality, it can easily become the only way someone knows how to cope with the stresses of reality. If marijuana were legal, and if someone were to take a small toke now and then, I could see that it wouldn't be a mortal sin. I don't see why someone would only smoke in moderation, and occasionally. Plus it stinks nasty. Medicinal use is another weird grey area. I could see it being used if it were under close supervision of a doctor. You'd have a definate problem if someone were to grow their own "medicine" and share with others without a prescription. Ideally, pharmaceutical companies could find a way to produce just the THC, to allow for a more consistent, uniform product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Yes, ironmonk, I actually have read those paragraphs before. But keep in mind, only recently has science shown how bad smoking tobacco really is, and Im sure, in the future, that the Church may change their stance on tobacco. I would say, to discern whether or not something is really good or harmful for your body, look at whether it hurts your health. We are also instructed in the Catechism to take care of our bodies, and if we do drugs, and we know that these drugs do harm, then we are sinning, because we are explicitly told not to harm our bodies. That is probably the best way to go. I think right now, though, the Church has bigger issues than cigarettes, with sexual sins being a major problem right now morally. God bless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I dont see what the big deal is any ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Dec 2 2004, 12:06 AM'] With many pot users, I've noticed that many of them have problems with other parts of their lives. It seems as if they turn to drugs to escape from stress and other problems. If one ends up using marijuana to escape from reality, it can easily become the only way someone knows how to cope with the stresses of reality. If marijuana were legal, and if someone were to take a small toke now and then, I could see that it wouldn't be a mortal sin. I don't see why someone would only smoke in moderation, and occasionally. Plus it stinks nasty. Medicinal use is another weird grey area. I could see it being used if it were under close supervision of a doctor. You'd have a definate problem if someone were to grow their own "medicine" and share with others without a prescription. Ideally, pharmaceutical companies could find a way to produce just the THC, to allow for a more consistent, uniform product. [/quote] I believe it is synthetic now, but I could be wrong. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 medicinally, I see no problem with marijuana. I liken it to morphine in that respect. However...oh never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 (edited) you can smoke pot and be in perfect control im not endorseing it, but to say that you are either "totally out of it, or no effect at all " is not true.........God created marijauna, im not sayen go smoke it, but you cant judge someone who does and say its a sin.......in genisis it says that every seed bearing plant is good and of God....He said " See, I give you every seed bearing plant all over the earth and every tree that that has seed bearing fruit on it to be your food...............And paul talks about this to, he says that when it comes to "foods" let no'one judge you....if you chose to eat, then that is your choice, and if one chooses not to eat, that is their choice.....He says that the one who does not eat should not condem the one who does, while the one who does choose to eat should not hate the one who chooses to abstain....Now im not sayen its right to smoke pot, becuz one, it is illegal here in america.....but on the other hand its not right to pass judgement and say its a sin for someone who does....... Edited December 2, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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