qfnol31 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 First off, a mortal sin is serious disordering of goods. I don't think that smoking marijuana is necessarily a mortal sin, because I don't think it's a serious loss of due order to goods, but there definately could be. I think it's a disordering of goods to smoke though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:49 PM'] Sorry, but you are wrong... there are levels of high. [/quote] Doesn't matter. It's still being high, and it's mortally sinful no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 (edited) Ok, more pre-Christian experience... Yeah, weed gets you high or it's oregano. Now you can be High, or you can be High High. After you are high for about 30 min to 1 hour you are stoned and very lethargic. One good toke is enough to get you going. Quite frankly, there is no middle ground when it comes to getting high. Smoking marijuana is always a sin because unlike alcohol or tobacco, its primary effect is to alter your perceptions to the point where you are not in control of your wits. Nicotine doesn't do this, and alcohol only does it at high doses. Weed is primarily for this purpose. My friend didn't quit smoking weed and I seriously have not seen him completely sober since we were 17. He smokes all the time. He has a stick shift and he smokes while he drives. Can you imagine being so desperate to get high that you would do something so stupid? Edited December 1, 2004 by toledo_jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Nobody smokes dope in moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='thedude' date='Dec 1 2004, 05:38 PM'] Nobody smokes dope in moderation. [/quote] verily sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I'd say that it is IMPOSSIBLE to smoke dope in moderation. Like I said... high or not high. If there are varying levels of high then they are: High Quite High Very High Space There's no "almost high" or "not quite high". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
point5 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 /\ hes right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Let's all get blunted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A Tall Guy Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Dec 1 2004, 06:09 PM']I'd say that it is IMPOSSIBLE to smoke dope in moderation. [/quote] I'm suprised to see so many people in agreement with this idea. I understand that some people can't smoke in moderation; I had a roomate who couldn't drink in moderation, but I didn't conclude that no-one could. Based on experience in my sordid past, I would have said pot is one of the easiest illegal drugs (besides alcohol and tobacco for the underage) to achieve a light buzz that isn't much more affective than a beer. There are plenty of other chemicals with no middle ground--e.g. sober or passed out and off in hyperspace. Tom [Look what gets me to de-lurk.. a pot thread. Oh well.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='dUSt' date='Dec 1 2004, 06:26 PM'] Let's all get blunted. [/quote] Why would you ever do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='A Tall Guy' date='Dec 1 2004, 07:47 PM'] I'm suprised to see so many people in agreement with this idea. I understand that some people can't smoke in moderation; I had a roomate who couldn't drink in moderation, but I didn't conclude that no-one could. Based on experience in my sordid past, I would have said pot is one of the easiest illegal drugs (besides alcohol and tobacco for the underage) to achieve a light buzz that isn't much more affective than a beer. There are plenty of other chemicals with no middle ground--e.g. sober or passed out and off in hyperspace. Tom [Look what gets me to de-lurk.. a pot thread. Oh well.] [/quote] that was bad pot... When pot doesn't get you high it has failed to achieve the effect the smoker desired. Welcome by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 It doesn't matter iti s a mutagen and therefore is always sinful to use legal or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I'm sorry to say that I use to smoke weed. I would often stop at a couple puffs just to get that light buzz--remaining in perfect control. That was a LONG time ago though. Remember. THERE'S NO HOPE WITH DOPE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach_cube Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I was once known to smoke alot of weed. The thing is you can smoke it and not feel high. But it is like the alcoholic that needs 10 beers to start feeling drunk. The first bowl, joint, bong, might not do it but after 4 or 5 it may hit you. The intent is still to get high. That's why you smoke the 5th joint, you are not feeling it yet. Anyway it's always going to be sinfull because the intent is to get high. With alcohol I know that I can enjoy a drink and not feel anything but a little warm. With pot you kind of need to be a pothead to not get high off of a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 (edited) [quote name='point5' date='Dec 1 2004, 05:50 PM'] from my personal experience (pre Christian) there is no middle ground... you are either high or not high. It is that simple...and if you are not high...you smoke till you are. And one joint normally will get you high [/quote] I disagree. I've smoked it in the past (although not for long)... I've known tons of people who smoke lots of it. And I've witnessed levels of high... with other people, and myself. I do not believe that it is a mortal sin to smoke it if it is legal... it becomes a mortal sin when one reaches a point of drunkeness. I know how it works biologically... the more you smoke, the more dopamine is released.... that means that there are levels. I've witnessed people take two hits and be fine and a little relaxed as if they had a drink... and then watched those same people smoke it until they passed out... those are levels my friends. Nothing more to be said on it unless someone can come up with a statement from the Bishops about legal marijuana. What the Catechism has: [quote][b]2290 [/b] The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others' safety on the road, at sea, or in the air. [b]2291 [/b] The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.[/quote] 2291 seems to be meaning illegal drugs else "clandestine production" would not be used. alcohol and tobacco are legal drugs... marijuana could be classified as a medication... therefore it would not be a sin if it was legal. What I would like to know is how the Magisterium views legal marijuana used at a low level to where one does not reach drunkeness. There are level to being high. On a side note, after looking at 2290, it would be interesting to find out how the Bishops view NASCAR. God Bless, ironmonk Edited December 2, 2004 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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