cmotherofpirl Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Dec 1 2004, 04:39 AM'] You know. Christianity would seem alot more plausible if you would just stop whining and trying to cut each others throats. You BOTH believe in God. You have differences. Solve them. Until then the Church will never be a true source to worship God. To many variations. Too many problems. Too much trouble. Why not just, as most of you claim, listen to all sides before drawing conclusions. Until then Christianity would be complete and would actually make people more interested in following it's teaching. [/quote] Dogma isn't decided by vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:12 AM'] Good luck getting someone to listen. Not many are willing to admit that thier attitude oppresses the lost in thier sins. [/quote] I agree with Socrates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:39 AM'] You know. Christianity would seem alot more plausible if you would just stop whining and trying to cut each others throats. You BOTH believe in God. You have differences. Solve them. Until then the Church will never be a true source to worship God. To many variations. Too many problems. Too much trouble. Why not just, as most of you claim, listen to all sides before drawing conclusions. Until then Christianity would be complete and would actually make people more interested in following it's teaching. [/quote] if only it were that simple. The problem with listening to all sides is that there are definite Truths out there that cannot be decided by a consensus. God has been very clear on a number of these, and on others He has entrusted His Church with the tools to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aloha918 Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 sometimes i feel like we get so off topic.......hahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='mulls' date='Nov 30 2004, 05:43 PM'] yea, i don't have a wife, but if i did i would definately beat her. i love yelling and screaming, and i fling my bible with deadly accuracy. [/quote] LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarkich Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 (edited) Didn't log out... Edited December 1, 2004 by amarkich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Dec 1 2004, 02:39 AM'] You know. Christianity would seem alot more plausible if you would just stop whining and trying to cut each others throats. You BOTH believe in God. You have differences. Solve them. Until then the Church will never be a true source to worship God. To many variations. Too many problems. Too much trouble. Why not just, as most of you claim, listen to all sides before drawing conclusions. Until then Christianity would be complete and would actually make people more interested in following it's teaching. [/quote] Besides the fact that there are Truths defined by God, and no vote--whether it be 100% to 0 in favor of error, can change that, you completely err in your definition of Christianity. There are no divisions in Christianity. There are no divisions in the Body of Christ (at least not how you are posing it right here). Protestants are not Christians. They are not a part of the Body of Christ. They have put themselves outside of the Church by their heresy. You don't just "focus on what is the same", since what is different is what leads countless souls to Hell. The differences in doctrine and in practice lead all those outside the Catholic Church to Hell, and that is something we cannot stand for. By ignoring the fact that there is no salvation outside the Church, we do those outside the Church the greatest dis-service possible: allowing them to suffer the loss of their souls for all eternity. I, for one, will not stand for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Baptism joins one to the Body of Christ. Many protestants have valid baptism and are therefore Christian. When they convert to the Catholic Church , they are not re-baptised unless they are Mormons or JW, becuase their first Baptism is VALID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 1 2004, 11:54 AM'] Baptism joins one to the Body of Christ. Many protestants have valid baptism and are therefore Christian. When they convert to the Catholic Church , they are not re-baptised unless they are Mormons or JW, becuase their first Baptism is VALID. [/quote] But a person puts himself outside the Church by heresy, according to the Council of Trent. And hardly any (if any at all) protestant 'baptisms' are valid, since the intention of the minister is taken into account. He must have the intention to "do as the Church does", hence the practice of CONDITIONALLY baptizing all protestants who convert, since their first baptism was most likely invalid on account of the minister's intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Dec 1 2004, 05:57 PM'] And hardly any (if any at all) protestant 'baptisms' are valid, since the intention of the minister is taken into account. He must have the intention to "do as the Church does", hence the practice of CONDITIONALLY baptizing all protestants who convert, since their first baptism was most likely invalid on account of the minister's intention. [/quote] Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 and he wonders why he's "phishy".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 1 2004, 12:32 PM'] and he wonders why he's "phishy".... [/quote] Quoting the Council of Trent makes me phishy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Dec 1 2004, 10:57 AM'] But a person puts himself outside the Church by heresy, according to the Council of Trent. And hardly any (if any at all) protestant 'baptisms' are valid, since the intention of the minister is taken into account. He must have the intention to "do as the Church does", hence the practice of CONDITIONALLY baptizing all protestants who convert, since their first baptism was most likely invalid on account of the minister's intention. [/quote] I wasn't conditionally baptized when I converted. Apparently my initial baptism as an infant was fine. In fact, of the 10 people who were received into the church, only 2 were baptized, none conditionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='Sojourner' date='Dec 1 2004, 11:42 AM'] I wasn't conditionally baptized when I converted. Apparently my initial baptism as an infant was fine. In fact, of the 10 people who were received into the church, only 2 were baptized, none conditionally. [/quote] Of all the converts I've ever talked to, none was conditionally baptized... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Dec 1 2004, 12:57 PM'] But a person puts himself outside the Church by heresy, according to the Council of Trent. And hardly any (if any at all) protestant 'baptisms' are valid, since the intention of the minister is taken into account. He must have the intention to "do as the Church does", hence the practice of CONDITIONALLY baptizing all protestants who convert, since their first baptism was most likely invalid on account of the minister's intention. [/quote] THis is simply NOT true. The Church does not "nominally" rebaptise people from mainline Churches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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