Is there a Population Problem

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[Oik]

Iacobus, I disagree with everything you said. I am talking a environmental biology class this semester as well. I have heard both sides of the stroy over and over.
The points brought up by the overpopulation myth always seem exaggerated and still don't convince me.

[quote]I have heard things like the pop could fit in TX with 1,200 ft^2 a head, and sure maybe they can. But there are population issues. Namly, not everyone lives in Texas, and even if they did that doesn't mean land would be equaly distrubited.[/quote]

The same principle that you applied to my argument can be applied to yours. Actually, it is more plausible to try and move the world to Texas than it is to try police 6 billion people (and growing).

As a species, we have already exceeded our carrying capacity. They funny thing is that since then, scientists have been frantic to figure our just what exactly our CC really is.

[quote]If we take simple steps to care for these nations, ie forgive debt, install a real ecomoy, force a living wage, grant medical care, etc, the rate will decrease, not from abortion or BC, and the growth of the pop will decrease.[/quote]

Unfortunately, this will not happen. This is the only answer.

Also, who is to say that it is not God's will for the world's population to be the size it is? Who said God wants the world population to decrease?

I my self plan on having as many children as God calls me to have.

[Iacobus]

I plan on having as many kids as God wants me to have and right now I don't think that is more than 2. I would go nuts witht more than that, lol.

[Guest Aluigi]

with modern technology we can now produce more food on less land than ever before. the "population bomb" theory always failed to account for the fact that as our population increases, so does our technology. the world can fit and sustain tons and tons and tons of new people, there is room.

[Guest Aluigi]

the only morally just way the population would decrease is if less people got married. otherwise, let it keep increasing there is room.

[Oik]

Iacobus Glory to God! I would be just as happy if I never had any than if I were to have ten. So we both agree, it's up to God!

[Oik]

Aluigi, agreed.

[Guest Aluigi]

anyway, you know the Catholic Church has always had it's own form of population control.. it's called:

THE MONASTERY!

[CreepyCrawler]

i don't think we've reached the carrying capacity of earth, we just distribute resources (food, water, etc.) so poorly that it just seems like it. with a little effort and more sharing, i think that the whole world could live comfortably with full stomachs eating what we currently produce....

[ironmonk]

[quote name='burnsspivey' date='Nov 30 2004, 06:33 PM'] Yes, they can.

From [url="http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Oct/46138.htm"]China.org[/url]:

[i]First, I'd like to explain China's family planning policy. China's family planning policy is not the "one child policy" as understood by some people. The government advocates each couple to have one child in accordance with the family planning policy. However, any couple facing genuine difficulties, mainly those in rural areas whose first child is a girl, can apply for the birth of second child by going through the necessary formalities. If couples in urban areas are both the product of a one child family they are entitled to produce a second child.

Second, the Population and Family Planning law clearly stipulates that those citizens who give birth to more children than permitted by regulation will have to face the consequences of legally imposed economic penalties.[/i] [/quote]
I'll take the word of the human rights groups over what communists who imprison people for being Catholic.





God Bless,
ironmonk

[popestpiusx]

For all your population informational needs (and to refute Iacobus' nonsense about the world reaching this mythological "k") see the following website:

[url="http://pop.org/"]http://pop.org/[/url]

Edited December 1, 2004 by popestpiusx

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='Oik' date='Nov 30 2004, 08:34 PM'] Also, they are still arresting, torturing, and persecuting Catholics.

[/quote]
Don't think that catholics are alone in this.

[quote]The problem is distribution. Also, the entire world's population could fit in a space the size of texas with around 1200 square foot a person and still have to entire world left to be inhabited. Even though there isn't a lot of arable land, technological advancements have allowed for man to grow food in places it should be able to be grown. Also, technology allows for man to grow in places not designed for growing (like on the roof of your house in new york city).[/quote]

The entire population of the world could [b]fit[/b] into the state of Texas -- we could not [b]live[/b] in the state of Texas. There is an enormous difference between the two.

Edited December 1, 2004 by burnsspivey

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Dec 1 2004, 08:45 AM'] I'll take the word of the human rights groups over what communists who imprison people for being Catholic.





God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
Good luck with that.

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 1 2004, 08:54 AM'] For all your population informational needs (and to refute Iacobus' nonsense about the world reaching this mythological "k") see the following website:

[url="http://pop.org/"]http://pop.org/[/url] [/quote]
Because that's an objective source, right?

[Dreamweaver]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 1 2004, 08:54 AM'] For all your population informational needs (and to refute Iacobus' nonsense about the world reaching this mythological "k") see the following website:

[url="http://pop.org/"]http://pop.org/[/url] [/quote]
Ah! Thank you popestpiusx for that link! I remember looking at that website a while ago but I couldn't remember the name of it to save my life! I especially like their articles on China's "One Child" policy. Traditionally, China granted exceptions to women of minorty nationalities, but one article followed the life of one woman who was punished severely for having a second child, despite the exemption.

How sad that so many minds today focus on the problem of world overpopulaton! If only we could distribute resources more evenly. I would really hate to see how countries in Europe and Japan that have negative population growth will fare in the future. Who will be working to care for the elderly?

Large families increase the economy and insure a more stable future.