MagiDragon Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 12 2004, 07:39 PM'] I must really be out of time because I don't find it sad at all, I find it infuriating, I would just as soon decapitate these people as look at them. Thats harsh but I just can't abide people so selfish that they would kill theit own Children for their "lifestyle". [/quote] keep in mind, some of them don't know that they're killing a child. our society has perpetuated lies about it being a 'blob of tissue,' that it's part of the woman's body, or that a person 'deserves' their current lifestyle. If a person buys into those lies, then it can greatly reduce their culpability. Peace, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote]There's no need for vindictiveness. [/quote] How about Justice. [quote] yes, but the nazis knew they were killing.[/quote] many Nazi's believed the Jews, Slavs and Gypsys where sub human they had been taught since they where Children that this was so. And yet we punished them, no one is coming out saying we where to Hard on the Nazi's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagiDragon Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 12 2004, 08:07 PM'] How about Justice. many Nazi's believed the Jews, Slavs and Gypsys where sub human they had been taught since they where Children that this was so. And yet we punished them, no one is coming out saying we where to Hard on the Nazi's.[/quote] justice is good, but so is mercy. (BTW, did you realize it's merciful to spank your kid when he does something wrong? Mercy doesn't mean 'spare the rod!') I think a person who didn't realize they killed their own child would have recieved justice: they would be emotionally devestated and would regret that decision for the rest of their life. Why do we need to add insult to the very real emotional injury they've caused themselves? The nazis were different, we didn't punish *all* the nazis. many got away, literally, with murder. we only punished the ones that were obviously intending harm to other people. I don't think it's reasonable to believe that nazis truly believed that jews, slavs or gypsies were not human. *shrugs* i'm not gonna totally refute this argument because i don't think you believe it yourself. Peace, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 No I don't I think the Law of god is written on every mans heart, but you see I don't believe women really believe it is just tissue either. I think it is a lie they tell themselfs to make them feel better. and as for [quote]Why do we need to add insult to the very real emotional injury they've caused themselves? [/quote] Because they violated the MOST basic of all trust, They have not only sinned agianst God and their Child, but even the instinct which God placed there to protect your children. I think that your average Nazi gas chamber activator was more morally upstanding than a women who has [i]murdered [/i]her own child and excused it as a "blob of flesh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagiDragon Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 12 2004, 08:28 PM'] No I don't I think the Law of god is written on every mans heart, but you see I don't believe women really believe it is just tissue either. I think it is a lie they tell themselfs to make them feel better. Because they violated the MOST basic of all trust, They have not only sinned agianst God and their Child, but even the instinct which God placed there to protect your children. I think that your average Nazi gas chamber activator was more morally upstanding than a women who has [i]murdered [/i]her own child and excused it as a "blob of flesh" [/quote] i agree that it's a lie they tell themselves, but some of them are genuinely duped by it. i'd have to agree that some gas chamber activators have better grounds to stand on: at least the people in the gas chambers were *usually* put there for *some* reason. i'm sorry man, but i don't have time to argue anymore. I've got a take-home test i've gotta get started on. I can certainly see where you're coming from, but be generous with your love and stingy with your hate. If we love those women enough, pray hard enough, and work hard enough, we can save lives. Being vindictive can harden our opposition; costing us more lives than if we are gentle. i might respond again . . . but i've got to quit shortly. Peace, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Yeah I am writing a Final as a post this so I understand-- I try not to Hate anyone, I do pray for these women, but even though I want them to be saved, but that doesn't mean I think they should be released from temporal punishment for their crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 12 2004, 08:39 PM'] I must really be out of time because I don't find it sad at all, I find it infuriating, I would just as soon decapitate these people as look at them. Thats harsh but I just can't abide people so selfish that they would kill theit own Children for their "lifestyle". [/quote] Ok, infuriating and sad. I don't disagree with you. I find it very frustrating that these people are so selfish, but I also feel great sorrow for the lives that are cut short because of such selfishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Oh I feel sorrow for the babies, I cannot hope to expess the grief i feel for them, seriously sometimes it hits me ina just overwelmng way, but I am not sorry for the women who have done this, I'm not sorry for them at all, they'll deserve everything they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Don if we got everything we "deserve" for our many sins , none of us would stand a chance at heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 We all deserve to die this is true, but some of use deserve it a lot more than others, and some of us deserve it immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisHands381 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='MagiDragon' date='Dec 12 2004, 07:37 PM'] yes, but the nazis knew they were killing. many of these women don't realize that it *IS* a child. they believe that the child is a blob of tissue. (or at least they hope it's true) if we educate them on what is true and right, many would be horrified at what they'd done. That's punishment enough. There's no need for vindictiveness. Peace, Joe [/quote] Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisHands381 Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 12 2004, 09:24 PM'] We all deserve to die this is true, but some of use deserve it a lot more than others, and some of us deserve it immediately. [/quote] Well, I think if God can forgive us for our many sins, than He can most certainly forgive a woman who has had an abortion for hers. None of us are worthy of salvation and none of us deserve eternal life, but God grants it anyway. Because He loves us. We MUST show that love and mercy to others or else we may never find eternal life in heaven.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote]We MUST show that love and mercy to others or else we may never find eternal life in heaven.... [/quote] And what of love to the unborn what of mercy to them, or taken another way, if your line of arguement is to be taken to it's logical conclusion why punish any murderers at all, or rapist or anybody, I mean they'll all get whats coming to them after all! We owe it to the Dead to punish those who have murdered them, that is why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagiDragon Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 12 2004, 08:59 PM']Oh I feel sorrow for the babies, I cannot hope to expess the grief i feel for them, seriously sometimes it hits me ina just overwelmng way, but I am not sorry for the women who have done this, I'm not sorry for them at all, they'll deserve everything they get.[/quote] no doubt. when i first saw this 8 minute video of aborted babies i was so enraged i couldn't speak coherently for about an hour. i don't think i've ever been that mad before in my life . . . granted, i'm only 22, so i've got some time to work up to some real rage later on . . . when i start to feel mad at the mothers, i just have to think that i don't want to judge them. if i would misjudge any one of them, then i deserve to be so misjudged . . . and i don't want God to hold me accountable for the things i deserve to have held against me! otoh, i don't feel mad at the women usually . . . only the 'doctors' and 'nurses' that commit these crimes. A woman may make a mistake and go into it thinking they will be given the facts. The doctors already have the facts, yet they still commit the act. they're truly despicable. i know a woman who was one of the nurses for a week. She had some truly horrific stories. one of the young women came in under duress from her family. She kept trying to talk them into not doing it, but the 'doctor' wouldn't listen. She screamed as long as she had a voice. also, one thing they do to encourage people to have abortions is to tell a woman who *isn't* pregnant that she *is.* they then 'abort' the non-existent baby, and charge the woman full price . . . plus she has to face the emotional backlash of *thinking* she killed her child. i think abortion is the most evil action in the world. When the pro-lifers use the slogan 'one dead, one wounded' they're wrong. it's one dead, that will face a merciful God; one wounded who will never forgive herself; and several who pushed her into it that may never see heaven's light. The cost of each abortion is probably half a dozen souls . . . and the only one with any real hope is the one who is killed. Peace, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 12 2004, 06:17 PM'] So what, I don't care if a psychopath knows he's murdering people, I still want him stopped and punished, these women are rational Human beings they know its murder, the Law of God is written on their heart, they simply deny it's murder to themselves it's no differantthan a rapist telling Himself that " she really wanted it, or lecherous man telling himself that sleeping around " doesn't hurt anybody" they know andthey should be Punished for their crimes agianst those they should have been willing to die for. [/quote] Don you have crossed the line from judging the action to judging the person's soul. [quote]We all deserve to die this is true, but some of use deserve it a lot more than others, and some of us deserve it immediately.[/quote] Maybe I deserve it more than abortion doctors. I hope so, for their sakes. I believe that I am in a state of grace. [quote]Oh I feel sorrow for the babies, I cannot hope to expess the grief i feel for them, seriously sometimes it hits me ina just overwelmng way, but I am not sorry for the women who have done this, I'm not sorry for them at all, they'll deserve everything they get. [/quote] [quote]We should always be heartbroken about people who completely turns away from God. Yeah I am writing a Final as a post this so I understand-- I try not to Hate anyone, I do pray for these women, but even though I want them to be saved, but that doesn't mean I think they should be released from temporal punishment for their crime. [/quote] Very glad to hear that you are praying for them. Abortion is extremely sad and infuriating, no question about it. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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