Micheal5403 Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 bump for phatmasser777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 (edited) On the abortion issue, George W. Bush's actions contradict his rhetoric. [url="http://www.realnews247.com/latest_news_and_analysis_july_2004.htm#Pres"]http://www.realnews247.com/latest_news_and...y_2004.htm#Pres[/url] George W. Bush is a member of a secret society, "Skull and Bones." The Catholic Church condemns secret societies because they are incompatible with Christian teachings. Former president John Quincy Adams clearly showed how membership in a secret society conflicts with Christian morals and one's civic duties in many letters which are collected in a book titled, "Letters on Freemasonry." [url="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1930004087/qid=1102796447/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-1104356-4893567?v=glance&s=books&n=507846"]"Letters on Freemasonry," by John Quincy Adams[/url] There are many papal encyclicals that deal with secret societies, most notable is Pope Leo XII's "INIMICA VIS." George Bush's "Born Again" rhetoric is just that--rhetoric. His actions betray him. A person cannot be a member of a secret society and a Christian. The two are incompatible. Edited December 11, 2004 by james Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 I think Catholics are obliged to agree with the Pope about the war, (supporting unjust war = sinful = matter of morals), but in the end Abortion is the bigger issue. Anyways, I'm Canadian and I'm only 16, so not that it matters. I wouldn't have voted for anyone, none of them - to me - are beacons of light. Maybe Petrouka, just to support a third party Candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisHands381 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 30 2004, 04:21 PM'] A vote for Bush is not a vote in line with the Church. He supports divorice, contracpetion, separation of Church and State, embroytic stem cell research (where they were already frozen), abortion for case of mother's health, rape, and incest, and he was not opposed to gay unions... a vote for Bush was not a Catholic option. [/quote] I agree. A vote for Bush was not a [b]completely[/b] Catholic option. But would a vote for Bush be more in line with Catholic teaching than a vote for another candidate? And would a vote for a third party candidate who may be more in line with Catholic teaching essentially make a difference? I'm agreeing with what qfnol31 has said on this one.... My opinion...the only way we'll ever be completely satisfied with who is elected and have it be completely in line with the Church is if Pope John Paul II is elected But since he was born in Poland, he can't run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 I voted for Bush... I'm seriously starting to think that I shoulda voted for Christopher West. I'm not making that up. Crusader4... if you don't want to vote for either one of "the two," then yeah it makes sense to vote for somebody in a third party. I mean, the whole "you're wasting your vote" argument kinda goes out the window if you weren't going to support an electable candidate anyway. That's my 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 I just wonder if a vote for somebody who actually does support abortion, if only about 2% of the time, gets into end-justifying-means territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the protector Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Let's say... Candidate #1: Pro-life/Pro-segregation Candidate #2: Pro-choice/pro-integration Who do you vote for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Candidate 7,492, maybe? Help me, guys. I'm having a political identity crisis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 The Earthly Head of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church believed this war unjust. I could not vote for the man wh started it. I could not vote for John Kerry because he turns my stomach. I stayed home and prayed with the Great Mother of God that both men's hearts would be turned from heresy and that God would protect us from whatever evil e saddled ourselves with on Election Day. Pro-Ecclesia, Pro-Pontifice, Pro-Vita Under the Mantel of she who is first after Him, Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Catholics that voted for Bush were voting only for his anti-abortion stance. They choose to ignore everything else, Iraq, Pro-Torturement, Pro-Death penalty, Pro-Rich etc. Oh and hes a mason, and inbed with the Saudis and Oil. Only the blind vote for the blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Abortion is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 No point being anti-abortion if you dont stop the sources, or stop the world from going into utter war, becoz of some Christian zionist extremist. Abortion is ONE issue in the whole scheme of things. Put it this way would you: Vote for a Pro-Choice Candidate that would later stop all this terrorism and war. or Vote for a Pro-Life Candidate that would agitate nuclear states into using the weapons. If you choose Pro-Life, ur an .....so and so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Phatmasser, let me respond in kind. Up yours. That is the amount of thought you apparently put into your post, the amount of thought you put into over simplifying your oppositions opinion and bolstering your obvious guilt over supporting a man who lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHisHands381 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 What happens to the un-aborted babies who are born into poverty-stricken families or those born with disabilities? Who is going to be reaching out to help that child and family have a better quality of life? Being pro-life does not stop at being anti-abortion. My opinion: No single law will stop abortion. To stop abortion we have to start by teaching modesty and chastity. The fewer unwed couples there are getting pregnant, the fewer abortions there will be. Then, once we have those problems somewhat under control, abortion will not be as dominant in our country as it is now. At that point, it will be much easier to deal with abortion and try to bring an end to it. There is no magical solution to abortion. Period. It will be a long, slow process that must take place on the level of the people as well as in government. A law saying abortions are illegal won't stop a lot of people from having them. Just like laws against murder don't stop people from killing. And abortions will be even harder to catch than other murders because nobody will turn up missing. This is why it is a bigger issue than just getting some law passed. Although, it is nice to have the person representing our country saying abortions are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 abortion must be made a punishable crime, doctors who perform it should get jail time and after multiple offenses life imprisonment or death penalty should be considered. women who get it performed should also get jail time, if they continue to do it that again constitutes a threat to society and either life imprisonment or death penalty should be considered. people should be helped to get on their feet and working for their own money. yes, help them economically, but if they simply stay dependant on the state that's not good. pick them up and help them to take care of themselves. if they refuse to work, neither let them eat (as the Bible says). you have to work to earn food and stuff. the role of welfare should be to get people off of it as soon as possible. anyway, John Kerry's policies were not necessarily going to help those people you're talking about in the long run. that's not the only way to fight abortion, in fact the first step needs to be MAKE IT THE CRIME IT IS and make it punishable so that people that continually kill babies are taken off of the streets and put into jail where they belong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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