ICTHUS ICTHUS ICTHUS

[peach_cube]

Dude, you can't say that there was no doubt about the canonicty of all the books included in the bible. I know you know better.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 1 2004, 07:31 PM']As far as I've seen, none of my 'slurs' remain on this site, having been edited.[/quote]

OK. Thanks to the magic of the phorum search, I found ~2 pages full of posts with the terms Romanist and Romanism.

A hsitory of your slurs (bolds are mine):

Beginning with your slurs against Protestants:
[b]Topic: Ccc Paragraph 841 (re Muslims)[/b]
[quote name='ICTHUS' date=' Aug 12, 2003']I will never compromise with the Mohammedans, just like I wont compromise with the [b]Prottys[/b]. Ill join the SSPX if I have to.[/quote]

Then, there's your slurs against Catholics:
[b]Topic: A Critique Of Non-calvinist Soteriologies[/b]
[quote name='ICTHUS' date=' Jul 18 2004']No doubt, [b]Romanists [/b]would like to throw the Letter to the Romans out of their canon, though, since it contradicts so many of their beliefs[/quote]

Then, you apologized:
[b]Topic: For The Record, An Apology[/b]
[quote name='ICTHUS' date=' Jul 18 2004']Alright. To be honest, I could be a little nicer to you guys. I'm sorry for all the references to 'Romanists' and 'Romanism' - I realize that those terms were originally concocted by the Reformers and that Roman Catholics find them highly offensive, and that they are unnecessary. So, for the record, this is me saying I'm sorry and that I'm going to stop using those terms.[/quote]

One month later...
[b]Topic: Clarification For The Proposal To Icthus[/b]
[quote name='ICTHUS' date=' Aug 19 2004']I think it's just that the [b]Romanists [/b]want to keep the Truth supressed by their wickedness (Romans 1) by preventing non-Catholics from communicating.[/quote]

A few weeks later, you repeat that you should stop using the slurs for the sake of charity:
[b]Topic: Justification[/b]
[quote name='ICTHUS' date=' Sep 9, 2004']I regard them [note: Eastern Rite Catholics] as Roman Catholics because they submit to the Bishop of Rome. 'Romanist' is a derogatory word used by the Reformers that many Roman Catholics find offensive, and I really should stop using for the sake of charity because it is wholly unnecessary.[/quote]

A few weeks more, and the term reappears in your vocabulary.
[b]Topic: Hymn To The Pope [/b]
[quote name='ICTHUS' date=' Sep 30, 2004']You [b]Romanists [/b]always amaze me. You think that anything with a touch of attitude is a refutation. Your [b]Romish [/b]religion disgusts me.[/quote]

[b]Topic: The Catholic Church: The Church that Christ Founded[/b]
[quote name='ICTHUS' date=' Nov 23, 2004']"If I recall correctly, it was you [b]Papists [/b]who organized your 'crusade' to CGR, and you have been trying (in vain, might I add) to spread the doctrinal disease of your [b]Romanism [/b]to a great bunch of bible-believing Christians. So I might retort the same thing."[/quote]

Protty...Romanist...Papist...Romanism...Romish...

What value do these terms have? They just make you into a "resounding gong or a clashing cymbal."

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 1 2004, 07:31 PM']In addition, what would you have me call you? Certainly not the Catholic Church, for you are not, having abandoned the Gospel.[/quote]

I am not a Catholic Church. I am a Catholic Christian. And I have not abandoned the Gospel.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 1 2004, 07:33 PM'] I would probably adopt the books which there has never been any doubt as to the canonicty of, of course - the ones in the Bible today. [/quote]
Interesting criterion.

So I guess you'd be throwing out Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, the 2 John, 3 John, Jude, and Apocalypse/Revelation?

Maybe you'd also throw out the end of the Gospel of Mark (16:9-20)?

There's a bit more that has been the subject of dispute, so your Bible might be getting a bit lighter...

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03274a.htm"]Canon of the New Testament (New Advent link)[/url]

[Krush2k2]

When I said cat got your tongue, its just a phrase used to hurry a reply, not an insult to anyone. Also Icthus, with respects-if you adopt the bible books compiled by a church that hasnt changed, what makes u not adopt the church that put it together?

[ironmonk]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 1 2004, 07:20 PM'] Don't treat Aaron as if he is a fool, Ironmonk.

[/quote]
Why do you think he's a fool?

Not reading the Early Church Fathers writings does not make someone a fool. Maybe he was never shown the writings. It might not be his fault that he doesn't know that they all are Catholic.


[quote] Are you trying to be insulting? Really, that's how it comes across.[/quote]

It's obvious that he hasn't read them... just as you have failed to.



God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited December 6, 2004 by ironmonk

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Dec 6 2004, 11:30 AM']

[/quote]
[quote]Why do you think he's a fool?[/quote] I don't. Why do you?

[quote]Not reading the Early Church Fathers writings does not make someone a fool. Maybe he was never shown the writings. It might not be his fault that he doesn't know that they all are Catholic.[/quote] Oh, I'm well aware, as I'm sure Aaron is, that the Fathers were members of the Church catholic. However, many of them were not [i]Roman[/i] Catholics, as such (until 325, that is, then everyone was a Roman Catholic).

I'm also quite sure that we've both had some exposure to the Fathers.

Edited December 6, 2004 by ICTHUS

[ironmonk]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 6 2004, 06:39 PM'] Oh, I'm well aware, as I'm sure Aaron is, that the Fathers were members of the Church catholic. However, many of them were not [i]Roman[/i] Catholics, as such (until 325, that is, then everyone was a Roman Catholic).

I'm also quite sure that we've both had some exposure to the Fathers. [/quote]
I'm sorry, but you are wrong... they all are Roman Catholic...

This shows you haven't read them.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Dec 6 2004, 05:03 PM'] I'm sorry, but you are wrong... they all are Roman Catholic...

This shows you haven't read them.


God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
Ironmonk, you know, it's interesting. If we read a given text (be it scripture, or anything else for that matter) and fail to come to the same conclusion you do, we 'haven't read' the given text.

Give me a break.

[point5]

Id like to hear Icthus' reply to the topic at hand. What about the books you accept now that were heavily disputed?

[Crusader_4]

Actually someone correct me if i am wrong but they were not all Roman Catholic but rather Catholic in communion with Rome. You still correct me again if i am wrong had other rites that were not ROMAN catholic at this time. Today like how we have the Ukrainian Catholic who is in communion with Rome...altho they are Catholic they are not Roman Catholic. So i dont believe its fair to say they were all Roman Catholic because i dont think they were (i could be wrong however)

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Crusader_4' date='Dec 8 2004, 05:21 PM'] Actually someone correct me if i am wrong but they were not all Roman Catholic but rather Catholic in communion with Rome. You still correct me again if i am wrong had other rites that were not ROMAN catholic at this time. Today like how we have the Ukrainian Catholic who is in communion with Rome...altho they are Catholic they are not Roman Catholic. So i dont believe its fair to say they were all Roman Catholic because i dont think they were (i could be wrong however) [/quote]
Well, what would you have me call you? Catholic? No, for to do so would be to affirm that in you subsists the catholic Church, which I will never do - you are apostate, and as such, have abandoned the catholic faith and the Holy Gospel.

[God Conquers]

ICTHUS, are you saying the Catholic Church is not the Catholic Church?

If so, are you insisting that the Anglican communion is the Catholic Church?

Because that would be like Quebec separating and calling themselves Canada.

[reelguy227]

Explain your reasons for the above reply ICTHUS ?

God Bless,
Ricky

Edited December 8, 2004 by reelguy227

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Dec 8 2004, 06:55 PM'] ICTHUS, are you saying the Catholic Church is not the Catholic Church?

If so, are you insisting that the Anglican communion is the Catholic Church?

Because that would be like Quebec separating and calling themselves Canada. [/quote]
No, I'm saying that the Anglican communion is part of the catholic church.

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='reelguy227' date='Dec 8 2004, 06:55 PM'] Explain your reasons for the above reply ICTHUS ?

God Bless,
Ricky [/quote]
Where do you want me to start, ricky? At Rome's parcelling out Christ's righteousness piecemeal in the sacraments? Her idolatrous worship of a wafer of bread? Her resurrecting the levitical priesthood when we have but one priest in Heaven, whose Name is Christ?