Mrvoll Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Vulgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Is the New Revised Standard Version allowed? I didn't think that it was approved for use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool4Christ Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 to be honest, I dunno. I'll have to check after Mass tommorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 My parish uses the NAB. The NRSV is [b]not[/b] permitted, because of its use of inclusive language and other bad translations. If your parish is using the NRSV, it isn't supposed to be -- unless you're in Canada, I think the Bishops' Conference went ahead and used it anyway, despite the Holy See's refusal to approve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 (edited) [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 27 2004, 04:10 PM'] Vulgate [/quote] I thought the Scripture readings for the Tridentine Mass were in the vernacular? I went to a Tridentine mass once, and the Scripture readings were in English..then again, the mass was licit according to Catholic Church standards, and you're one of those SSPX weirdos, so it could be different for you. Edited November 29, 2004 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Nov 28 2004, 07:04 PM'] I thought the Scripture readings for the Tridentine Mass were in the vernacular? I went to a Tridentine mass once, and the Scripture readings were in English..then again, the mass was licit according to Catholic Church standards, and you're one of those SSPX weirdos, so it could be different for you. [/quote] :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Nov 28 2004, 08:04 PM'] I thought the Scripture readings for the Tridentine Mass were in the vernacular? I went to a Tridentine mass once, and the Scripture readings were in English..then again, the mass was licit according to Catholic Church standards, and you're one of those SSPX weirdos, so it could be different for you. [/quote] :rotfl: Are you serious? You really think I am a "SSPX wierdo"? Very interesting. In any case: The SSPX and the indult churches use the 1962 Missal. The Mass is identical in both communities. The readings are read in latin at Masses "licit according to Catholic Church standards" as well as SSPX Masses. They say the exact same Mass, exactly the same way, on the exact same days. That being said, in the Tridentine Mass, even prior to the Council, the custom was to read the readings in English (or whatever vernacular) during (or right before) the sermon which is the teaching part of the Mass. This has been the custom for a very very long time. You incorrectly assumed that when you heard the readings in English, that was the official reading of them. It was not, nor is it required to read them in the vernacular. You also incorrectly asumed that I am a "SSPX wierdo". An interesting accusation from one who publicly repudiates Catholic teaching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Nov 28 2004, 08:04 PM']...you're one of those SSPX weirdos, so it could be different for you.[/quote] Icthus, Just out of curiousity, weren't you just complaining because I allegedly mocked your beliefs? Not to mention, your facts are wrong...again. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 28 2004, 10:03 PM'] :rotfl: Are you serious? You really think I am a "SSPX wierdo"? Very interesting. In any case: The SSPX and the indult churches use the 1962 Missal. The Mass is identical in both communities. The readings are read in latin at Masses "licit according to Catholic Church standards" as well as SSPX Masses. They say the exact same Mass, exactly the same way, on the exact same days. That being said, in the Tridentine Mass, even prior to the Council, the custom was to read the readings in English (or whatever vernacular) during (or right before) the sermon which is the teaching part of the Mass. This has been the custom for a very very long time. You incorrectly assumed that when you heard the readings in English, that was the official reading of them. It was not, nor is it required to read them in the vernacular. You also incorrectly asumed that I am a "SSPX wierdo". An interesting accusation from one who publicly repudiates Catholic teaching... [/quote] So, the readings are read in Latin, then? I can perhaps see the merit of the argument of having the[i] liturgy[/i] in Latin, but since 'faith comes by hearing' and the people cannot be expected to know Latin fluently, why should not the readings be in the vernacular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 [quote name='Mateo el Feo' date='Nov 29 2004, 02:07 AM'] Icthus, Just out of curiousity, weren't you just complaining because I allegedly mocked your beliefs? Not to mention, your facts are wrong...again. LOL! [/quote] I was being festitious. Perhaps it didn't come across that way. I apologise to all who may have been offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 1 2004, 07:37 PM'] I was being festitious. Perhaps it didn't come across that way. I apologise to all who may have been offended. [/quote] Thank you for the apology, but I can assure you that I was not offended (hense that stupid little rolling around on the floor guy). It is a most difficult task indeed to offend me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 1 2004, 07:36 PM'] So, the readings are read in Latin, then? I can perhaps see the merit of the argument of having the[i] liturgy[/i] in Latin, but since 'faith comes by hearing' and the people cannot be expected to know Latin fluently, why should not the readings be in the vernacular? [/quote] The quick answer is that they are part of the prayers of the Mass, which has as its primary end the worship of God as he desires to be worshiped, namely by re-presenting (please notice the dash) the one sacrifice of His Divine Son upon the gibbet of the Cross. The primary end of the Mass is NOT for the instruction of the faithful. The sermon is for instruction. That is where the readings can be read in the vernacular. As an aside, the faith of the people does not merely come from hearing the word preached, but from the Grace recieved by participating in the Sacraments, through prayer, and the like. With regards the Mass, the character of Baptism gives the faithful the power to worship God as he desires to be worshiped, which is by uniting themselves to the Sacrifice being offered by Christ through the priest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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