CatholicCrusader Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 [quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 27 2004, 12:30 AM'] Such as cold is just the abscence of heat, isn't hell just the absence of God? [/quote] No, Hell also has temporal pains. The pains of Hell are twofold: pain of Loss and pain of Sense. Pain of Loss is the loss of God. Pain of sense is fire. The fire is worse than any pain on earth, which is the same fire that cleanses the souls in Purgatory. (See the Catechism of the Council of Trent/Baltimore Catechism for more information.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 CatholicCrusader beat me to it, but no, Hell also has positive punishment ( torment) not just negative punishment ( lack of what is desired in this case God). It is not just an Eternal Time Out in the corner, it is a place of everlasting torture and suffering as well as eternal seperation. Oh and by the way Delivery Boy the Big Crunch will not according to the most current science occur there is some other energy " Dark Energy which is causeing the Galaxies to actually continue to accelerate from one another eventually all will be black and cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Ya know I know this is of topic....but I bet hell is really humid. Like the kind of humidity that stuffs up your head.....after all you know what they say, it aint the heat it's the humidity> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 [quote name='Delivery Boy' date='Nov 26 2004, 05:54 PM'] i was watchen the history channel the other night they were haveing a show about missing books from the bible in one of these books, it is revealed that after souls suffer in hell, they will be taken out and let into Heaven.......I almost hope this is true becuz i think it would smell of elderberries for a soul to have to suffer in hell for eternity.......And I want to believe that a all loveing God would in the very end have mercy on all the souls that he made to exist...and since God has the power to do anything, he is capable of doing this if he so desired....so will God have mercy on all, when its all said and done ? [/quote] Nope. The Lake of Fire is forever, unfortunately for the Reprobate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Does a condemned soul ever get to see the face of God before being cast into hell? I'm not speaking literally since spirits don't have physical eyes, but do they ever come into God's presence before being cast away? [quote]wouldnt a soul in hell be tortured to the point that it would crave with its whole existance to be back in Gods presence and love ? [/quote] This is me talking, but I would guess that a condemned soul totally absent from God wouldn't know of God to call on him anymore. I'm also guess that the torments of hell are so great, that those torments would probably keep your attention totally occupied. scary topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 [quote name='M.SIGGA' date='Nov 28 2004, 05:35 PM'] Does a condemned soul ever get to see the face of God before being cast into hell? I'm not speaking literally since spirits don't have physical eyes, but do they ever come into God's presence before being cast away? [/quote] Yeah, at the moment of judgment. [quote]This is me talking, but I would guess that a condemned soul totally absent from God wouldn't know of God to call on him anymore. I'm also guess that the torments of hell are so great, that those torments would probably keep your attention totally occupied.[/quote] In hell everyone hates God, as well as everything else and everybody else. So really, they have no desire to repent, and once a soul reaches hell they're locked in that mode. As I've heard it said, the doors to hell are locked on the inside, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Humans can only repent and change while they are in time (in this life). After death, the soul is in eternity, and cannot change. This is why the angels cannot repent. They are in aeveternity (outside of temporal time) and cannot change their will. (I know - this is confusing!) Bottom line is, once your life on this earth is through, it's too late to turn back! And any "lost books" of the Bible are not actually part of the Bible, and often contain evil and heretical ideas. You'd best ignore them. (See Don John's post.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 [quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 26 2004, 09:30 PM'] Such as cold is just the abscence of heat, isn't hell just the absence of God? [/quote] God is omnipresent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMyztiq Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Delivery Boy' date='Nov 26 2004, 05:54 PM'] i was watchen the history channel the other night they were haveing a show about missing books from the bible in one of these books, it is revealed that after souls suffer in hell, they will be taken out and let into Heaven.......I almost hope this is true becuz i think it would smell of elderberries for a soul to have to suffer in hell for eternity.......And I want to believe that a all loveing God would in the very end have mercy on all the souls that he made to exist...and since God has the power to do anything, he is capable of doing this if he so desired....so will God have mercy on all, when its all said and done ? [/quote] Those books are books that the people who put together the Bible saw and said: "carp, we can't have people under control without this" And threw them out. And now people see them and say "well that makes Jesus sound almost human" and then the pastors say "NO, those are for heretics" Actually alot of those books were also burned. Who knows what other stuff the Church tried to hide. And now... God created evil. Because as we all know God knows and sees everything. Surely he saw his prime angel becoming evil. And when he punished him he created hell. So was hell in his plan all along? Was evil also in his plan? If he is so good then why would he create evil? Edited November 29, 2004 by SirMyztiq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 If we HAD burned hem, they wouldn't be around, now would they? God did not create evil, evil occurred because we have free will. Without free will we would be merely robots, not human beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 29 2004, 03:44 AM'] Those books are books that the people who put together the Bible saw and said: "carp, we can't have people under control without this" And threw them out. And now people see them and say "well that makes Jesus sound almost human" and then the pastors say "NO, those are for heretics" Actually alot of those books were also burned. Who knows what other stuff the Church tried to hide. And now... God created evil. Because as we all know God knows and sees everything. Surely he saw his prime angel becoming evil. And when he punished him he created hell. So was hell in his plan all along? Was evil also in his plan? If he is so good then why would he create evil? [/quote] This post is pure nonsense. It is nothing but assertions made with zero evidence. (And it's remarkable how SirMiztaken is able to know so much about the intentions of people almost 2000 years ago!) In fact, (though theological liberals hate to admit it), recent archeological evidence shows copies of the original gospels much older than the phony gnostic "gospels," which were written centuries later by heretical sects to promote their beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 it is important to remember that not only is God all merciful, but He is also all just......so if at the moment of judgement, God has determined in His omnisence (all knowing)....that a person had adequate opportunity to accept God and rejected it, then i would think that that person does not deserve Heaven....as they have seen the face of God and rejected it the punishment will fit the crime so to speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMyztiq Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 [quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 29 2004, 03:31 PM'] This post is pure nonsense. It is nothing but assertions made with zero evidence. (And it's remarkable how SirMiztaken is able to know so much about the intentions of people almost 2000 years ago!) In fact, (though theological liberals hate to admit it), recent archeological evidence shows copies of the original gospels much older than the phony gnostic "gospels," which were written centuries later by heretical sects to promote their beliefs. [/quote] Actually I heard this from an actual preacher! Now I don't know about you but I think she knows her stuff...being a preacher and all. The Bible was put together by a king-whos name I'll ask-and some of his people when the pagans and the Christians were heavily divided. When he did so many of the pagan symbolism became part of the Christian symbolism and the Bible was able to bring the two together. Christmas was created in order to attract-or distract-pagans from their festivals. MANY books were burned. I didn't say all. Recent archeological evidence huh... Funny how some you believe and some you don't. Archeological evidence shows dinosaurs much older than 1000 years old. It shows that the continents were once one clump of land. It shows proof of evolution from cell. It shows proof of how the moon came to be. And the list goes on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 30 2004, 02:41 AM'] Actually I heard this from an actual preacher! Now I don't know about you but I think she knows her stuff...being a preacher and all. The Bible was put together by a king-whos name I'll ask-and some of his people when the pagans and the Christians were heavily divided. When he did so many of the pagan symbolism became part of the Christian symbolism and the Bible was able to bring the two together. Christmas was created in order to attract-or distract-pagans from their festivals. MANY books were burned. I didn't say all. Recent archeological evidence huh... Funny how some you believe and some you don't. Archeological evidence shows dinosaurs much older than 1000 years old. It shows that the continents were once one clump of land. It shows proof of evolution from cell. It shows proof of how the moon came to be. And the list goes on... [/quote] For someone so well read you have it so very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 (edited) [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 30 2004, 04:41 AM'] The Bible was put together by a king-whos name I'll ask-and some of his people when the pagans and the Christians were heavily divided. When he did so many of the pagan symbolism became part of the Christian symbolism and the Bible was able to bring the two together. Christmas was created in order to attract-or distract-pagans from their festivals. MANY books were burned. I didn't say all. Recent archeological evidence huh... Funny how some you believe and some you don't. Archeological evidence shows dinosaurs much older than 1000 years old. It shows that the continents were once one clump of land. It shows proof of evolution from cell. It shows proof of how the moon came to be. And the list goes on... [/quote] You are entertaining even when you are so wrong. THe Old Testament started to be put together back in the days of the exile. The New Testament dates back to before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. THe writings circulated and were read in the Churches as scripture. The canon [ list of books] was decided by Church Council in 497AD after the Church has been using them for hundreds of years. Humans have been in North America for 50,000 years. WEll of course the dinosaurs are over 1000 years old, why would you think overwise? [u]"Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes" 1987 [/u] Edited November 30, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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