cmotherofpirl Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Sex has more than one purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Nov 24 2004, 04:59 PM'] Sex has more than one purpose. [/quote] According to modernists and contracepters... edit* to clarify: not anymore than eating has two ends: it is pleasureable but its purpose is to maintain life. Edited November 24, 2004 by CatholicCrusader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 According to the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Nov 24 2004, 05:01 PM'] According to the Catholic Church. [/quote] Please read the edit I made and address that, and if you chose to, support it with something instead of "the Church says it" withou providing where She does so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 24 2004, 04:00 PM'] According to modernists and contracepters... edit* to clarify: not anymore than eating has two ends: it is pleasureable but its purpose is to maintain life. [/quote] unless you and you spouse are really passionate about mac and coagulated milk then I would have to disagree with you on the food reference. Sex also serves to bond a married couple together on a deeper level. I just don't think food can bond you like that..... well.... maybe chocolate cheescake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 [quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 24 2004, 05:05 PM'] unless you and you spouse are really passionate about mac and coagulated milk then I would have to disagree with you on the food reference. Sex also serves to bond a married couple together on a deeper level. I just don't think food can bond you like that..... well.... maybe chocolate cheescake. [/quote] The point is that sex is pleasureable, yes, but that is not a reason for it. That is to induce a person to do it, so the human race can be prolonged, just as food is like such. Food is not as pleasureable because without eating you will become very hungry, and even if the food had no pleasureablility (if that is a word), you would still eat it to remove the pain of hunger, but not having sex does not bring with it a pain. There is more incentive, as it were, for it to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 In heaven, we will experience the much fuller, complete reality to which sex is only a foreshadowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep. God thus, in His most far-reaching foresight, decreed that this husband and wife should be the natural beginning of the human race, from whom it might be propagated and preserved by an unfailing fruitfulness throughout all futurity of time. And this union of man and woman, that it might answer more fittingly to the infinite wise counsels of God, even from the beginning manifested chiefly two most excellent properties—deeply sealed, as it were, and signed upon it—namely, unity and perpetuity. Leo XIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 (edited) prove to me where it says that sex is ONLY to procreative.... sex must be open for procreation yes ....but if the only end to sex were procreation then why do we even bother to teach NFP? Couples should I suppose only have sex for the specific purpose o having children then? Edited November 24, 2004 by Balthazor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 BAM CMOM FIGHTS BACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 [quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 24 2004, 05:11 PM'] but if the only end to sex were procreation then why do we even bother to teach NFP? [/quote] I think this is a very good topic for discussion. In fact, I think a thread should be started to discuss the end or ends of the marital act. However, how is it relevant to the discussion of whether or not there is sex in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 the nature of sex is an important question to answer to show the reason there would be no sex in heaven. sex is meant to be procreative and unitive. pleasure is the side effect God put into it to make it more desireable. you cannot have sex simply for the unitive aspect, you shouldn't have sex simply for the procreative aspect (because if you're not in love with your spouse and doing it for unity, your family isn't likely to be close) Natural Family Planning is abstaining from sex from certain times. when you do have sex, you must still be open to life (NFP doesn't always work, so you're still leavin the oppurtunity for God to bless you with children by being fully open, and keeping the pure unity without blocking anything, just at specific times when a baby is unlikely) It would be a sin to practice NFP saying either you never wanted your marriage to have children or that you were trying to plan your family to make sure you were in control of how many children you have. God must be in control. You may do the dance of sex only during unlikely times, but you still have to be open to children and you especially should never do that indefinitely, only for the time period you would either be in a health danger to have children or for the time period you would be financially unable to sustain it. there has to be an important reason, couples can't just do NFP because they don't want children, they'd be disobeying God's command to be fruitful and multiply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 24 2004, 07:29 PM'] It would be a sin to practice NFP saying either you never wanted your marriage to have children or [b] that you were trying to plan your family to make sure you were in control of how many children you have. [/b] God must be in control. You may do the dance of sex only during unlikely times, but you still have to be open to children and you especially should never do that indefinitely, only for the time period you would either be in a health danger to have children or for the time period you would be financially unable to sustain it. [/quote] This is not true. I believe there was thread on the Q/A board about this. From the answer: [quote]But in his encyclical Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI clearly mentions the responsibility on married couples to plan their families, taking into account the means available to them to raise their children etc. It sounds to me like you and your husband remain open to the transmission of life, and that you are doing what Pope Paul had in mind when he wrote his encyclical. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 HSmom is correct in her last post. NFP can be used to plan children out in order better to provide for them, but not in a way essentially meant to castrate and remove all fruitfulness. It can only be used to avoid pregnancy permanently if it is for grave reasons, as Adeodatus also answered in his reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 let me re-word that. if you're doing it to take full control of your reproduction, it's a sin. you must always be open to life within your marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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