Balthazor Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 After reading all the wonderful comments in the homosexual marriage and homosexual activity threads I cannot resolve one issue and apparently neither can the Human rights activists. If homosexual marriages are OK then why not allow incestous marriages, provided that they are consensual? The Easy answer is birth defects but how true is this? I do not think it is the issue at all, people with genetic abnormalitites are married everyday and have children everyday. We are not preventing them from getting married, ahy do we just desciminate against those who are related cloely to one another? Why is it that these types of unions are not okay and yet homosexual ones are. Apparently legislating on morality IS okay for some issues just not others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Actually, it has been genetically proven by science that intermarriage between close relatives over time can lead to many people with the same disorder in the family. People in Martha's Vineyard many years ago married close and had many deaf children. There is also a group in South America where many people closely intermarried and they the people there had an unusually high percentage of the same disease in that area, compared to the rest of the world (I forgot what exactly the disease was). God bless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 it's on the slippery slope. The National Man-Boy Love Association is trying to create the idea that same sex relationships between a child and "loving" adult is good and healthy... what makes you think incest isn't next?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 (edited) Scientificly incest is of little concern, actually several geneticist in Sweden tried to get that countries incest laws changed based on research tha a certian percentage of children born from incestous unions ( I think the optimal number was 20 % but its been a long time) would actually help the gene pool ( by weeding out bad recessives), so the Incest prohibition is religious in nature, it has no real scientific arguement to support it. If homosexual marraiges are to be legal the incestous ones certianly should be, for that matter polygamy should be as well. Edited November 22, 2004 by Don John of Austria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duc_In_Altum Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 The easy answer , as you described, is a true one. [i]Birth defects are very commonly an effect of incest and inbreeding.[/i] Therefore, it is highly frowned upon. There is also proof that children and adults who are the result of incest or are involved in it, develop hard core psychological issues. Major depression, sexual deficiency, bipolar disorder, and many other abnormalities have been found as a common result of incestuous union. Anyhow, i agree with you that homosexual union is immoral anyway through it's own immoral and illogical nature. God bless, -Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 If the incest an the polygamy are between consenting adults I'm all for it. Just as long as it doesn't cause harm to anyone else, and that means genetic concerns which it soudns like incest would cause bad so I'm against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 [quote name='Dairygirl4u2c']I'm all for it....so I'm against it.[/quote] Dairy, your posts are always entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duarc Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Incest is one of the major taboos in many societies. It's hard to get rid of the taboos but once you do, it opens up a can of worms that leds to more moral issues. It's one of the reasons that America is having this HUGE debate over homosextual relationships; Homosextuallity was a taboo in American society until (I think) the 1960's. Say we were to make child pornography legal (god forbid! >.<). That would lead to other questions: if taking pictures of children in comprimising positions is okay, why shouldn't prostution (child and adult) be okay too? And why not let Adults marry children they love and have relations with? If those things are okay, than this has to be too. It's a noted observation in history that once something like that becomes legal, the civilization tends to collapse. Therefore, take away taboo, lose socital restrants, desend into chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope4thenew Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 brothers and sisters in Christ... 4get psychological issues and birth defects...what about sin issues and covenant effects... get out ur Ignatius Holy Bible...turn 2 Leviticus 18...read 1-18 now turn 2 Genesis 9...read 18-27 Ham lays with his momma = Canaan = curse ask Noah what he thinks about incest...better yet ask Israel what they think about it? enter Scott Hahn... "Ham committed maternal incest , and the accursed fruit of that union was Canaan. Interestingly, an equivalent expression ("to uncover nakedness") is used later on by Moses in warning Israel about perverse practices of the people of "Canaan" (Lv 18:6-18;Ex 23:23-24). Not surprisingly, what heads the list of Canaanite vices is maternal incest, followed by various other forms of incest, which were practiced as part of the ritual worship in Canaan." (p.86 A Father Who Keeps His Promises) let's learn somethin'...mystogogy brothers and sisters, mystogogy... God bless ya'll, St Cecelia pray 4 us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnsspivey Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Okay, here's my question to you: why should incestuous relationships be illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Nov 22 2004, 06:00 PM'] Scientificly incest is of little concern, actually several geneticist in Sweden tried to get that countries incest laws changed based on research tha a certian percentage of children born from incestous unions ( I think the optimal number was 20 % but its been a long time) would actually help the gene pool ( by weeding out bad recessives), so the Incest prohibition is religious in nature, it has no real scientific arguement to support it. [/quote] In nature, variance is preferred over homogenous traits in species. More diversity will insure that a population as a whole has a great chance of surviving. You'll have some traits that offer better camoflauge, some more efficient metabolism, others resistance to diseases. One thing that comes into mind is sickle cell anemia. At the surface, it sounds like a horrible disease. But with study, it was found that those that had sickle cell or were carriers of a gene were resistant to Malaria. One issue with endanger speces is the lack of genetic variability within the population. If a disease comes through, it could possibly wipe out the whole population (and species). Differences are beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 [quote name='hope4thenew' date='Nov 22 2004, 08:35 PM']let's learn somethin'...mystogogy brothers and sisters, mystogogy...[/quote] On the topic of learning something, it's "myst[u]a[/u]gogy." LOL. Thanks teacher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMyztiq Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 [quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 22 2004, 05:42 PM'] After reading all the wonderful comments in the homosexual marriage and homosexual activity threads I cannot resolve one issue and apparently neither can the Human rights activists. If homosexual marriages are OK then why not allow incestous marriages, provided that they are consensual? The Easy answer is birth defects but how true is this? I do not think it is the issue at all, people with genetic abnormalitites are married everyday and have children everyday. We are not preventing them from getting married, ahy do we just desciminate against those who are related cloely to one another? Why is it that these types of unions are not okay and yet homosexual ones are. Apparently legislating on morality IS okay for some issues just not others. [/quote] YOU'RE RIGHT! If we have the power to bar homosexual's showing their love toward one another because we think is wrong. Why not stop interracial marriage that have for years been hated by so many?! I certaintly don't approve of them and neither should you! ... "Gay marriage" is NOT pandora's box. Legislating on morality IS okay for some issues. You're right! But if a group of people who want to be able to marry their own sister or cousin can come up to me and tell me why they want to do it. And prove to me that they are able to live a productive life. And prove to me that if they decide to have children they will be healthy and well. Then I might actually think about it. It's not my concern. But I highly doubt that would EVER happen. Homosexual unions are OKAY! because they have risen up and proven to us that all they want is equality among the rights that legally married couples have. That's it! We can actually look back and see their long history of discrimination and their unchanging effort to be able to show each other love. Other unions haven't. Does that mean they don't happen? NO! They happen but they aren't everywhere and they aren't as open. Even if any kind of union was not okay they would still happen. The reasoning is how much can they present for their cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 I'm not sure if there is an incest organization, but you know it wouldn't surprise me. there will probably eventually be one, there are a significant number of people who agree with incest in this country and if they grow (like the homosexual movement has grown recently) it could very easily be an issue soon. NAMBLA has many of the arguments you said you asked for regarding pedophilia love... food for thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 22 2004, 09:43 PM'] I'm not sure if there is an incest organization, but you know it wouldn't surprise me. there will probably eventually be one, there are a significant number of people who agree with incest in this country and if they grow (like the homosexual movement has grown recently) it could very easily be an issue soon. NAMBLA has many of the arguments you said you asked for regarding pedophilia love... food for thought [/quote] Look no further [url="http://www.cousincouples.com/"]Cousin Couples: Get the Facts![/url] I'm quite disturbed by groups like that. After a few generations, what would the family "tree" look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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