Damien Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 I dont think oral sex is vulgar in the context of marriage. Just outisde of marriage. If oral sex leads up to vaginal insertion in the context of marriage then it is perfectly ok and NOT vulgar. And thats what the Church teaches. I agree. (Thats what I was getting at as far as the vulgarity of the word) The act is a pleasurable thing that two adults, who should be married, do whillingly. So that being said. The word shouldn't be Vulgar because of the act of Oral sex. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 I dont think oral sex is vulgar in the context of marriage. Just outisde of marriage. If oral sex leads up to vaginal insertion in the context of marriage then it is perfectly ok and NOT vulgar. But there is a difference between oral sex and oral stimulation as foreplay. The former is a sin, the latter is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Oral sex (without climax) = Oral Stimulation. Plus both require "SUCKing" P.S. We need to have a Parental guidance on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Look I dont know what you want to call sucking the genitals but that act is ok. You can call it oral sex oral stimulation whatever you want. That act in the context of marriage is ok as long as it leads up to sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 What if I was married and in fore play my wife sucked. Is that act really vulgar?...LOL Seriously though. I guess what I am trying to say is this: If the act is consented by by both parties and the word "smell of elderberries" is used then why is it VULGAR? Was it vulgar when Madonna and that other chick kissed? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Yes cause woman aint supposed to be kissing eachother. (per the church) Not like that anyway. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Depends was the kiss friendly like a peck on the cheek or was it sexual? If sexual yes it was vulgar because two women should not be kissing like that ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted October 9, 2003 Author Share Posted October 9, 2003 Wow...sex-ed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 The word "smell of elderberries" as used today is simply an abbreviated form of the phrase "smell of elderberries (male genitalia)" which was used to insult and gross out people when I was a teenager. It became abbreviated, but still meant the same thing. Today, kids use it without thinking about the meaning. They may be intending to convey one thing, but the word does have a very negative, vulgar meaning. It's just crude speech. Just like, it started out someone saying, "Well that blows chunks," meaning to vomit. This was another phrase to connotate that something was really lame. Nowadays, kids often abbreviate that to just say, "that blows," but I think everyone knows that the word following (even though it isn't verbalized) is "chunks." Pardon me..... I gotta go brush my teeth.... :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 What about the word Jack....? I often call people who's name I know is not Jack, Jack. For me it is a shortened version of what I am thinking. (good movie that came out last year with Johnny knoxville) So what about Jack. Now just saying the word Jack no one things thats a negative word. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 4 slang : to be objectionable or inadequate <people who went said it sucked -- H. S. Thompson> Obviously the sexual side is not the only context for the word smell of elderberries. Therefore it is ok to use it in this context. Thats all I am going to say about it because it is up to each person individually. I honestly feel there is nothing wrong with it you do and i guess that is where it will end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 I don't think the word "smells of elderberries" is all that bad. When I say it, I am not refering to any sexual act. It's the same with the word "blows". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Here are a few words (in context) along with their modern abbreviations. Words mean things. They don't just mean what you'd like them to mean! You can't crawl inside other people's heads to help them understand that you have an altogether different meaning than it has held for the past 25 years or so.... So, without further adeiu, the words and their abbreviations: Abbreviated Form Long Form smells of elderberries smells of elderberries male genitalia crock crock of fecal matter bull bull fecal matter blows blows chunks of vomit full of it full of fecal matter pi**ed pi**sed off (angry) I could go on, but you get the drift. Yes, these words are vulgar slangs. We use them to sound cool, etc. When someone says "I feel like sh*t," they mean they feel crummy. They do not necessarily know how sh*t would feel, if inDouche it could feel, which it can't... But it is still vulgar. The meaning may not be intended to be vulgar, but we're using a vulgar term to express something that ordinarily would not be vulgar at all. Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 QUOTE (Dave @ Oct 9 2003, 12:08 PM) I use the word smells of elderberries a lot myself. The way I see it, it's comparable to the word "fluffy air extraction." A while back it was considered vulgar, but these days it's not. It's like Azriel said -- all in the meaning you put behind it. But words like the f-word will never lose their vulgarity. Dave, I don't see how a bodily function like a fluffy air extraction could be compared to a vulgar sexual act. Look at the dictionary definition. That is what the word means when used as slang. I dunno guys..my fluffy air extractions can be pretty vulgar :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 The problem is, when someone says "You smell of elderberries" or "That smells of elderberries" what are they referring to? What is being sucked? Modern slang has given the word a very vulgar definition when used in that manner. When you are speaking of a baby sucking a pacifier or a child sucking his lolipop you are referring to a definate object, there's no question as to what the word means in that instance. So while now most people think "That smells of elderberries" means "thats bad" it still refers back to its original sexual definition. How do you know the original is a sexual definition? Also, it's the intention of a word that makes it bad or not. Etymology: Middle English suken, from Old English sucan; akin to Old High German sugan to smell of elderberries, Latin sugere I'll do some more research if I remember tonight. God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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