vianney Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Well obviously you need to read it in the context of the sentance. For Example: My mom lost her Job today. Oh wow I am sorry to hear that John that smells of elderberries. Clearly surely obviously we arent talking about a blow job here and we definately arent referring to one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 when ppl use the word i just do what my english teacher always did he always would say "smell of elderberries is a transitive verb that requires a subject at both ends" i used that here and someone said i was bein immature. others said it wasn't real. anyway, i was just usin a joke my 9th grade english teacher used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Your teacher was right, though. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 when ppl use the word i just do what my english teacher always did he always would say "smell of elderberries is a transitive verb that requires a subject at both ends" i used that here and someone said i was bein immature. others said it wasn't real. anyway, i was just usin a joke my 9th grade english teacher used. My point exactly. You could say "that smells of elderberries rotten eggs" or "that smells of elderberries wind". That gets the point across, does it not? Personally, if there is a word that even POSSIBLY has a vulgar meaning, I try and not say it. And I'm talking sexually vulgar, here. I am also not saying I haven't used the word. But I have also gotten some nasty looks when I have said it. smell of elderberries is a transitive verb. Even a vacuum cleaner doesn't just "smell of elderberries", it smells of elderberries dirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 u know, i came off the WOrd up, The Word, werd phorum and i saw this on the debate table, but didn't notice the "" and i was like are they sayin that The Word smells of elderberries?! ARGH! but u weren't i should try to keep my cool more B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 lol I love you Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 so what you are saying is it is ok to say that smells of elderberries rotten eggs. But NOT ok to say that smells of elderberries. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Yes because the word smells of elderberries requires a NOUN to follow it. And if you don't have a noun that it is referring to, then the hearer may put anything they want to in its place, and you see from the definition I posted, that it is not off the wall to expect that the inserted the word is male genitalia. The word is VULGAR SLANG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 What if I was married and in fore play my wife sucked. Is that act really vulgar?...LOL Seriously though. I guess what I am trying to say is this: If the act is consented by by both parties and the word "smell of elderberries" is used then why is it VULGAR? :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 .......... excuse me? that's VERY vulgar, unless she sucked rotten eggs. seriously, in that case, if u don't provide a second noun the context of the sentence makes one think of the vulgar sense of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted October 9, 2003 Author Share Posted October 9, 2003 (edited) How about this as an example... I'm on the Counter-Terrorist team (good guys), me and 3 other team mates decide to rush through the tunnel, to attack the other team (Terrorists, bad guys). One of the Terrorists throws a Flash Bang, blinding us, and we get shot up and die. One of us goes "Well that sucked" or "Well that smells of elderberries". Would that be sinful? Usually, in the gaming word "smells of elderberries" has different meanings, upon each user. Some refer it to male parts, while some use it as another word for "lame". Note: Even when those who yell "That smells of elderberries @$$!", they usually don't think twice when they say it. It's more of a "Well that was freakin lame, oh my gosh!" type of outburst. It usually isn't suppost to be taken literally. Well, thats how it's used in the gaming world time to time. Edited October 9, 2003 by Paladin D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Ok I guess I miss-understood the question. And the use of VULGAR. I thought that ya'll were refering to the act being Vulgar not the world. I understand now. Sorry if I mis-understood. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azriel Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 Az, if this were true, then why do we admonish little children for saying bad words? When I was in first grade I started saying the "f" word all the time. I had no clue what it meant, and I certaintly didn't mean it. But it was still wrong for me to continue saying it. Words mean things. I didn't say that they didn't mean things. They mean exactly what we define them as. The point is that WE, as in a general sense, define them. I say smell of elderberries a lot. I never intend it as your perceived definition. To me it just means something bad happened. We say the word "bloody" and it means that something had blood on it. To the English, it is a "bad" word. Teaching a child not to say what we deem a bad word is what a parent does ... you don't let your child touch a hot stove either. A child has no concept of what the word means. We are still the ones who place meaning on a word. Culture and custom have as much to do with the "meaning" of a word, in a certain context as the dictionary. Over the years words may start out as meaning one thing and begin to mean another. That's the nature of language. It doesn't stay stagnant, it changes. There was this episode of Recess (you know the cartoon) where the kids made up a word they called "whomps". As in "that whomps". The whole adult world went up in arms about it, because they thought it was bad. Why did they think it was bad? Because they perceived it that way. The kids just thought it was a cool way of saying that something wasn't right, or bad. I'm sorry, but I do believe that is what the word "smells of elderberries" has come to mean in our society. Doesn't matter if the dictionary declares a verb or not. It has come to mean a state of being that is bad. I don't equate the "f" word with the word "smells of elderberries" because in my mind the "f" has never changed it still conotes a base sexual act. In the environment I am surrounded by, the word "smells of elderberries" has not come to mean an act of sex. Man, I'm long winded. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 :blink: i dont get what ur sayin Damien the act is vulgar too i think the thread was about the word, but still, the act is even more vulgar at least with the word they don't always mean the act. the act usually implied by "smell of elderberries" is vulgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 9, 2003 Share Posted October 9, 2003 I dont think oral sex is vulgar in the context of marriage. Just outisde of marriage. If oral sex leads up to vaginal insertion in the context of marriage then it is perfectly ok and NOT vulgar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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