dairygirl4u2c Posted November 20, 2004 Author Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) i'm not even surprised iron's not responding. he always leaves when someone shows logic as to how he's wrong. he needs a lesson in how to talk honestly and not obstenately. you'd think if i were so illogical he'd just show me up. so far all he's shown is bad english and hypocrisy. Edited November 20, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 i know you guys are as different as nite and day but dont forget charity...always charity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Nov 20 2004, 12:17 AM'] i'm not even surprised iron's not responding. he always leaves when someone shows logic as to how he's wrong. he needs a lesson in how to talk honestly and not obstenately. you'd think if i were so illogical he'd just show me up. so far all he's shown is bad english and hypocrisy. [/quote] Dairy, I believe he said he was done with this thread. Rather than call him names, perhaps you should just quit too. I'll give this thread a couple of days, and if Ironmonk is truly done, then it'll be closed. God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted November 20, 2004 Author Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) Perhaps I should have known what he meant ealier on. Perhaps he should have made himself clearer. Who knows. It was probably an reasonable mistake both ways. And I'm willing to bet our egos blinded us to that. I apologize for not looking at this more from both sides before talking. [quote]Also. Sorry but you seem to be contradicting yourself. You give me specifics to look at, but these are the specifics you told me not to talk about.[/quote] I probably should not have said that since Iron was leaving. Maybe he just left that with me too look at. It seemed to me that he wants me to know that stuff.. which I do.. so that I could have debated better. I'm pretty sure that's the case, but I could be wrong. If that was the case, he was contradicting himself as he said not to discuss that stuff, as we were only discussing things in philo terms. I do think I can make the case that church is my final authority. (understanding the role all three interconnect) When the holy spirit guides you, through the church, in general and through his people, that is not yourself, that is the spirit. Maybe this is a point that needs discussed. Remeber we're talking about philosophy here! Not about those links? Philosophy is my forte.. beware. :ph34r: Also if we did discuss it, we'd need to discuss what he thinks of people like me "just making things up while we go". I have some points that need to be made if so. (making them up as I go? only way to find out is for him to talk ) It seems like we could and should continue. I'm still willing. But I respect Iron's decision. I like the one on one thing though. It may be the best way to go. Does anyone else want to do one? If so, please start a thread. thanx Edited November 20, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted November 20, 2004 Author Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) And one last thing before I go. I do understand what he means when he says that he thinks that I'm following self. I'd being willing to say self as long as he's willing to understand how I say church. That's all. Thanks. Edited November 20, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) Dairy, Not to interrupt, but I am pretty sure Ironmonk wont be back. I read and reread this thread and quite honestly, Im not sure which is more confusing, your philosophy or your english usage. Please understand, I am not insulting you. Merely trying to give a bit of constructive critisism. I think in all honesty you wish to have this debate, that is apparent to everyone. But I also think, in your zeal, you tend to start rambling and then the whole post gets confusing. Plus the fact that again, in your zeal, you tend to start using certain words which are redundant (?) to themselves, or you do a repetative 'dance'. (thats the only word I could think of) If I may?.... [quote]So do you want me to go to the links and pick out the holes? I will if that's what you want. One by one. I'll summarize and pick out the holes.. I know where to look for the holes as I've said I've done this many many years. Then you can respond. If you want to take this approach, then let me know how you want to do it.. like one by one I pick out the hole sand you defend or what.[/quote] Your above quote is repetative and over explains itself. If you were actually saying this out loud in person, I would probably look at you and teasingly ask, "What are you...a parrot with Turrets? A broken record player? You just go on and on and on." Now mind you dear, I am only trying to shed a bit of light here. I mean you no disrespect. You have been on this forum for quite some time and keep coming back to visit, so I would never try to 'run you off' or anything like that. The reason why I point this out to you is that I myself am guilty of this IN PERSON. Hopefully I dont come off that way here, but I am fully aware that I can be a repetative talker. My niece does it too and it drives the family nuts(she's alot worse than me) I try so hard to drive a point home that I sometimes tend to just drive the other person nuts! My point is, this IS a debate forum. You need to be somewhat precise and punctual. You need to get to the point, and include the 'why and why nots'. You need to check your content, context and, at times, even your spelling and punctuations. All too often people take things out of context and get ruffled or confused, so this especially is important. I am not an English professor. I am not even an English major. I do love the English language and have seen it reduced, at times, to grunts and slang, to the point that I cannot even figure out what someone is trying to say. My new question at work is, "IS THAT ENGLISH?" There are times I think I woke up in the wrong country. Its almost a darned language barrier and its OUR language. LOL. Anyway, I didnt mean to hijack your thread. I hope you understand I mean you absolutely no disrespect. I kept track of this thread in the hopes of a fantastic debate between you and Iron, but most of the time all I got was a headache Keep stretching those apologetic legs girl. You'll figure it out. (Maybe someday, so will I) Peace sis. Edited November 20, 2004 by Quietfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted November 20, 2004 Author Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) thanx quietfire. Sometimes I repeat myself on purpose because it seems that people read through it all and only remember the last sentence or bits and pieces. I want them to remember everything as a whole and sometimes I get repetitive. But I definitly should have been more precise there and even in general even beyond what I just said, especially with a one on one. you're right about all that stuff! Edited November 20, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 (edited) [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Nov 20 2004, 07:31 PM'] thanx quietfire. Sometimes I repeat myself on purpose because it seems that people read through it all and only remember the last sentence or bits and pieces. I want them to remember everything as a whole and sometimes I get repetitive. But I definitly should have been more precise there and even in general even beyond what I just said, especially with a one on one. you're right about all that stuff! [/quote] Me not posting anymore regarding the subject is not because you repeat yourself. I'm posting this now because charity demands correction. This is an attempt to help you by letting you know where you failed on this thread and in general with most of the dialogs that I've encountered with you. It's because you do not understand the basic English that I have posted. It is because you do not understand the issue whatsoever and it has been planly spelled out multiple times. It's because you have absolutly no logic in your posts. It's because your posts fit the verses which I posted. Here is an analogy, which I doubt you'll understand, but I'll try anyway.... It's like if I were to ask you what the time was, and you said "I don't know what you want from me". It's like you saying you want to talking about the time and not even know or understand what a clock is. That is how basic the question of "Authority: Church, Bible, or Self" is. This dialog with you is pointless. You either do not comprehend or ignore everything posted. You do not understand the basic logic in prioritizing the value of the words written. Please read this slowly and a couple times.... You ask "do you want me to find the holes (in the links)" - You should think to yourself "How do I know that there are holes?" The answer that you come up with to why there are holes is what your "authority" would be. If you say that you know there are holes in them and it's because of the bible - then you would believe that the authority is the Bible. If you say that you know there are holes in them because you just know, but not because of what's in the bible - then your authority would be yourself. If you say that you know there are holes in them because of what the Chuch teaches - then your authority would be the Church. Learn to think about what the questions are.... learn to think about everything else posted.... If you ever want to be able to dialog with any intelligence, you first have to understand and be able to comprehend the topic. If you don't understand this post, and still don't know what I meant by "authority" - if it's not clear as day.... Then do not ever expect to me respond to anything you post. For a dialoge to be beneficial, then the people involved must have the same basic understanding of the language used and some logical thought pattern. Edited November 21, 2004 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 ok folks, I think that about sums everything up. I'd like to take this moment to make a suggestion...perhaps in the future we should sort of schedule one on one debates with a particular moderator - your choice - who can help things along. You know, try to head off any misunderstandings, keep others out of the thread, that sort of thing. I think the one on one format can be incredibly informative, but this particular one seems to have been more destructive. Just my two cents. God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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