Dave Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Yeah yeah.... I have no faith in any catholic interpretation of the bible anyway. Well if anybody seriously wants a response to this, pm me coz I have no intention of bothering to post. True dat. The only interpretation with which you have faith in is your interpretation. But who said you were infallible when it came to interpreting scripture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 lol...typical :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 lol...typical That's a non-answer. You know what I say is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Well, if Robyn's thinking anything along the same lines as me, it's not that we can't answer that, more that we can't be bothered saying what we normally do that gets nothing but angry responses and/or arguments that just go around in circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 ,Oct 17 2003, 11:25 PM]Well, if Robyn's thinking anything along the same lines as me, it's not that we can't answer that, more that we can't be bothered saying what we normally do that gets nothing but angry responses and/or arguments that just go around in circles. it could be because maybe just maybe the responses don't add up to what Jesus left for us to believe if your answers were in correlation to what Jesus taught, there would be no problem but many times its not. but where can you find what Jesus taught still alive and thriving? in the catholic church. look at the history of your denom and time that Jesus came and died and rose again. personal interpretation doesnot hold much if we all get different answers. whats really important is what Jesus meant when he said/taught it. but how do we know? from the people who were there. how do you know that your great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather lived? by your family line!!! same thing with the catholic church and Jesus. the early Church fathers were Catholics (who decided on what books were holy) as where the disciples (who wrote the bible). we know what Jesus taught, spoke and believed because the Church is what Jesus established. why do you think theres so much in the catholic church? because we're still teaching the samething that Jesus wants us too. from the same ppl who knew Jesus and followed him. and thats where the Holy Spirit comes in. thats why there's unity unlike any other. we know what Jesus meant when he was speaking of John 6, when you and your friend might agree where any of you there at the time? did you write that? are you sure Jesus was saying just remember me? no, no one can unless you knew and believe the same thing that the people who followed Jesus believed in andwere there and through the Holy Spirit continually guiding the Catholic Church that is what you have today. and thats what the CAtholic Church has. thats why i encourage you to keep seeking. you earn great respect for being here, but we also challenge you to why you believe so and what proof and evidence you have to truly know what God wants us to believe. the truth is not hidden, for a house set upon a hill cannot be hidden. God bless! +JMJ :wub: :wub: :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Ok, I'll show you bible verses next time I'm on! But for now, I'll give you this. Salvation is through JESUS. If your life isn't suddenly cut short after you're saved, then: Jam 2:20Â But wilt thou know, vain man, that faith without works is dead? The protestant doctrine Sola Fide, is not found in the Scriptures. In fact, Robyn, the Bible verse you cited would condemn, not affirm Sola Fide. Luther taught that man is saved by Faith alone. But that is not what St. James says in Chapter 2, verse 20. He says that Faith without works, is DEAD. In other words, the two go hand in hand. Faith and works. Not Faith alone. Not Sola Fide. Dave is right. Those who believe in Sola Fide are following a man-(Martin Luther)-made doctrine which is contrary to Scripture, and was invented in the 1500's. Jesus never taught it, nor did His Apostles. I do hope you respond. And as far as your long quote about the Pharisees goes, Jesus was condemning the leaders of the Jewish synagogue. He founded His own Church upon Peter and the Apostles. He did not condemn them. I see no parallel between the descriptions of the Pharisees and the Holy Catholic Priesthood, if that is what you were trying to get at. (Of course, I was told on another post that if someone tries to judge another's heart, you're stepping in on Christ's turf, and so that would make you the Anti-Christ...how do you feel about that?!) You seem to be judging an entire Church, and all its leaders, if I get your drift...and may I say, you're judging very wrongly. Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTNgurl Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 born a catholic, became protestant (united methodist), later non-religious, now trying to be more catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Oh, I think marielapin used to be Methodist! You'll have to compare notes! (My hubby used to be Methodist, too.) Pax Christi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 ,Oct 18 2003, 01:25 AM] Well, if Robyn's thinking anything along the same lines as me, it's not that we can't answer that, more that we can't be bothered saying what we normally do that gets nothing but angry responses and/or arguments that just go around in circles. So, if our debate doesn't go in the direction you'd like to see it go...and we don't all run for the nearest pentecostal denom and ask to receive the believer's baptism, but rather we are able to prove every Catholic point using the Bible and historical documentation, you say the argument is going in circles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 It's looking at things with intellectual honesty. Take a look at Robyn's verse 37. She says it's Catholics who are obsessed with "tradition" who stone the prophets that God sends to gather us. I say it's those who rail and fight against "tradition" that refuse to honor the prophets and don't have the means of "tradition" to recongnize them. Robyn, Freaky Chik, Unshackled, [jas], etc., dismiss the Catholic Church out of hand, but you don't know what you reject. We have ears on both sides of our head and a brain in the middle. Listen to both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetarplayer Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Now wait, I'm confused... jasJis is not [jas]? -Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 jasJis and [jas] are 2 different people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Good thing we didn't post in the schizophrenic thread. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetarplayer Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 What is a 'jas', anyway? -Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 What is a 'jas', anyway? -Mark its a short nick for his real name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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