The Catholic Church:The Church that Christ founded

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='conservativecatholic' date='Nov 24 2004, 04:00 PM'] Apparently you don't read you Bible. Lastly, why would the Catholic Church compile the Bible to hide it from the public. You and your false claims make no sense. May God Bless! [/quote]
[quote]Obviously you don't know anything about Christian history or the Bible itself. First, it is a historical fact that the Roman Catholic Church was established by Christ.[/quote] Impossible. Christ was never in Rome. How could a Church based in Rome be established by Him?

[quote] Second, the Church never hid Scripture from anyone. The Gutenburg press wasn't around then. Monks spent their whole lives copying down a few Bibles.[/quote] Catalyst, he has part of a point here. The Bible wasn't readily available, due to the exorbitant costs involved in copying the manuscripts out by hand - in any case, the Church of Rome was an excellent harbringer of the Gospel up until a few centuries before the Reformation. The Church of Rome only became really guilty of witholding the Scriptures from the faithful after the Gutenberg printing press was invented - in fact, they even put the Bible on their "Index of Forbidden Books" for awhile.
[quote name='Catalyst']Mary would have died in sin if weren't for Jesus as people where confused to the old covenant, even the priests which is evident in how they dealt with Christ but that was prophesy...so is Christ warning people about those liers who come in His name.[/quote] Catalyst, are you saying that the Old Covenant had no purpose and that everyone before Jesus went to Hell? If so, I suggest reading through Hebrews and Romans - it makes it explicit that everyone who was under the Law in the Old Covenant is saved by faith through Jesus' blood of the New Covenant.

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Pio Nono' date='Nov 25 2004, 06:04 AM'] JMJ
11/25 - Thanksgiving Day



Because I'm a Bible-believing Christian, I'm going to let my yes be yes and my no be no. [/quote]
Don't be stupid. That passage, in context, is referring to honesty and how you shouldn't swear by anything, but simply let your 'yes' mean youre going to do something, and your 'no' mean you won't. It says nothing about allowing a person an 'easy out' for making stupid decisions without a good reason.

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' date='Nov 26 2004, 05:39 PM'] much love to you icthus
but be carefull how deep you go in the sea to swim
remember Jesus said blasphemy against the holy spirit is unforgivable
and that is to attribute to the devil what is of the holy spirit
much love to you [/quote]
The Roman Catholic Church =/= The Holy Spirit

I am speaking against the blasphemies and idolatries of the 'Church' of Rome, which cannot be of the Spirit because they blatantly contradict what He revealed in the written Word of God. I love and adore the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Blessed Trinity.

Edited November 26, 2004 by ICTHUS

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Nov 26 2004, 06:40 PM'] The Church of Rome only became really guilty of witholding the Scriptures from the faithful after the Gutenberg printing press was invented - in fact, they even put the Bible on their "Index of Forbidden Books" for awhile.
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No, but they did put faulty translations, transliterations and incomplete versions that attempted to pass themselves off as Bibles on the Index of Forbidden Books, and with good reason.

[Guest Aluigi]

He established it around Peter, Peter went to Rome where the Church had already spread to, took charge of it, taught St. Linus and prepared him to take charge, and died.

They put incomplete erroneous translations of the Bible on the list of forbidden books, but the Church always read the Bible to her people so that those with ears could hear. the Bible was not written with the intention of giving everyone a book, it was written with the intention of <OT> having it read in synagogue <NT> having it read in the churches (that the letters were sent to) and then <OT and NT> were cannonized in order to clarify which books should be read in every church.

[Guest Aluigi]

true about yeses and nos, i think Pio Nono was just tryin to be cute, don't hate on him it's in a lighthearted manner

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
11/28 - First Sunday of Advent

[quote]Don't be stupid. That passage, in context, is referring to honesty and how you shouldn't swear by anything, but simply let your 'yes' mean youre going to do something, and your 'no' mean you won't. It says nothing about allowing a person an 'easy out' for making stupid decisions without a good reason. [/quote]

You take life way to seriously. Of course it was meant as a joke - personal attacks on me ("Don't be stupid" and "stupid decisions") are uncalled-for, as I don't remember making personal attacks on you.

And the nice thing about being outside of this debate (I haven't posted on the debate itself, I just refused you a request) is that I don't have to give an accounting of my decisions. I said no and I meant it. Start your own poll (which it seems that you have done).