Balthazor Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:20 PM'] Never? Really, never? [/quote] I shouldn't have to repeat myself, if you don't believe me search through Church documents and history. Why don't you believe me anyway? what do I have to gain from lying to you? If you really wanted to know an answer, to know the truth you would be at the apologetics table, not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noncatholicname Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 You know, playing the knowledge game on the internet is kind of an ignorant passtime, considering anyone can google this stuff and look really smart doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 And then some of us actually are smart Some of us actually spent years in a classroom teaching or learning religion. Some of us have spent 30+ years doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 And others of us are being educated on Catholic Doctrine at the moment thanks to your questions..... doesn't it feel wonderful being an instrument of GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 (edited) you honour them through prayer which is a form of worship. Thats one part of it aluigi...but Matthew takes Christ through the perspective of Him being a lion. Through His majesty and His king ship. Mark is like the prospective of Christ being like an ox or a servant. Lukes shows how Christ came as a man and had attributes of man and example of this would be Christ asking the father to take the cup away from Him if possible and sweating blood and just being some what stressed about what was about to happen. John would be like the eagle because the eagle flies higher than any bird, its also a symbol of standing strong as John talks about His return a bit. If you look in revelations, the four creatures worshiping God at the foot of His throne are a lion, an ox, a man, and an eagle. The flags that the tribe of Judah, Ephraim, Dan, and one other tribe also carried a picture of one of these on their flags and this is evident in the book of Ezekial. Honour those past by the way you live not through prayer. Kneeling down and crossing your chest in prayer to a person whos test is long over, God wants that attention just for Himself! Regarding the roman catholic church, do I dare bring up witch burning and mass murder? Edited November 19, 2004 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 protestants have done this in the past. Catholics have done this in the past. the Catholic Church was always at the forefront of fair trials and constantly sought to end the superstitious hunting of witches. the inquisition wouldn't even hear outrageous fearful witch accusations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Focus on Jesus!!! The whole bible is about Him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 (edited) How do you define worship? Catholics worship God, not humans. God recieves worship [i]Latria[/i] [absolute supreme adoration] Servents of God recieve veneration [i]Dulia[/i] [ honor a creature because of their service to God] Mary recieves veneration [i]Hyperdulia[/i] { she is the first among disciples of God, and carried Him in her womb] Edited November 19, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:39 PM'] you honour them through prayer which is a form of worship. Thats one part of it aluigi...but Matthew takes Christ through the perspective of Him being a lion. Through His majesty and His king ship. Mark is like the prospective of Christ being like an ox or a servant. Lukes shows how Christ came as a man and had attributes of man and example of this would be Christ asking the father to take the cup away from Him if possible and sweating blood and just being some what stressed about what was about to happen. John would be like the eagle because the eagle flies higher than any bird, its also a symbol of standing strong as John talks about His return a bit. If you look in revelations, the four creatures worshiping God at the foot of His throne are a lion, an ox, a man, and an eagle. The flags that the tribe of Judah, Ephraim, Dan, and one other tribe also carried a picture of one of these on their flags and this is evident in the book of Ezekial. Honour those past by the way you live not through prayer. Kneeling down and crossing your chest in prayer to a person whos test is long over, God wants that attention just for Himself! Regarding the roman catholic church, do I dare bring up witch burning and mass murder? [/quote] I thought that I said that only not quite as detailed granted but..... hey....did you even read my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Nov 19 2004, 12:45 AM'] Focus on Jesus!!! The whole bible is about Him! [/quote] The focus of the Bible is God Almighty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:39 PM'] Honour those past by the way you live not through prayer. [/quote] Jesus taught us a prayer. The "Our Father". Aren't you contradicting yourself if it's in the bible? As for any misconceptions you have, we would love to discuss. that's what we are here for. (is there an echo?) Pax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 And your beef with the Saints.... What about Saint Francis who said preach the gospel at all times, use words when neccesary. What he wasnt catholic......he lived it and prayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 (edited) God is not a God of the dead, but of the living. He is the God of Abraham, the God of Iassac, the God of Israel, the God of St. John the Baptist, the God of Mary, the God of St. Paul, the God of St. Augustine, the God of St. Francis... et cetera. we don't pray to the dead, we talk to the living who happen to be in the Beatific Vision. jmj, he was talking about prayer to the saints specifically Edited November 19, 2004 by Aluigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMyztiq Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Jesus was a reformer. He came to change the way the Jews worshipped his father. The Jews had a hard time believing. (They had been waiting for thousands of years for this savior and all he does is questions their faith!) So they kill him. He rises and some people see it and Christianity is kind of born. It spreads to Europe where it becomes the "Church" and when good ol' Luther got peeved at the church for you know charging people to forgive sins, having corrupt church leaders, sitting people in order of social status and so on they split. Very condensed I know. But no. Christ did not found the church in my opinion. I don't think he founded anything but he only attempted to change the way things were going on around here. We created the Catholic church when we created the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 (edited) [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 19 2004, 01:49 AM'] Jesus was a reformer. He came to change the way the Jews worshipped his father. The Jews had a hard time believing. (They had been waiting for thousands of years for this savior and all he does is questions their faith!) So they kill him. He rises and some people see it and Christianity is kind of born. It spreads to Europe where it becomes the "Church" and when good ol' Luther got peeved at the church for you know charging people to forgive sins, having corrupt church leaders, sitting people in order of social status and so on they split. Very condensed I know. But no. Christ did not found the church in my opinion. I don't think he founded anything but he only attempted to change the way things were going on around here. We created the Catholic church when we created the Bible. [/quote] Not just condensed, but wrong. This has nothing to do with opinion, this has to do with fact... The Catholic Church was before the bible... Why not study something before you try to tell the history.... The Catholic Church 33 AD. The Bible... 400 AD, put together by Catholic Bishops [url="http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9109700&query=roman%20catholicism&ct=eb"]http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId...tholicism&ct=eb[/url] Roman Catholicism Encyclopædia Britannica Article Christian church characterized by its uniform, highly developed doctrinal and organizational structure that traces its history to the Apostles of Jesus Christ in the 1st century AD. Along with Eastern Orthodoxy and Protestantism, it is one of the three major branches of Christianity. The claim of the Roman Catholic Church to be the one legitimate continuation of the community established by Jesus Christ is based on apostolic succession. This does not mean that there are apostles, nor does it mean that individual Apostles transmitted some or all of their commission to others. The officers of the church, the bishops, are a college (organized group or body) that continues the college of the Apostles, and the individual bishop is a successor of the Apostles only through his membership in the college. The idea of apostolic succession appears in the writings of Irenaeus, a Church Father who died about 202. Against the Gnostics (dualistic sects that maintained that salvation is not from faith but from some esoteric knowledge) Irenaeus urged that the Catholic teaching was verified because a continuous succession of teachers, beginning with the Apostles, could be demonstrated. In the 3rd and 4th centuries problems of schism within churches were resolved by appealing to the power of orders (i.e., the powers a person has by reason of his ordination either as deacon, priest, or bishop) transmitted by the imposition of hands through a chain from the Apostles. Orders in turn empowered the subject to receive the power of jurisdiction (i.e., the powers an ordained person has by reason of his office). In disputes between Rome and the Eastern churches the idea of apostolic succession was centred in the Roman pontiff, the successor of Peter; it will be observed that this goes beyond the idea of collegial succession. Apostolic authority is defined as the power to teach, to administer the sacraments, and to rule the church. Apostolic succession in the Roman Catholic understanding is validated only by the recognition of the Roman pontiff; and the Roman Catholic Church understands the designation “apostolic” in the creed as referring to this threefold power under the primacy of the Roman pontiff. God Bless, ironmonk Edited November 19, 2004 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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