toledo_jesus Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I think it's a matter of practicality that the Church didn't encourage the common man to read the Bible. How many commoners could actually read? And further, when you allow the Bible to be read by people who are not informed about the Sacred Tradition, or some of the nuances, it leads people to (gasp!) form their own conflicting [u]opinions[/u] about what the Bible actually says and from that arises remarkable discord...good thing that never happened, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Nov 18 2004, 11:21 AM'] I think it's a matter of practicality that the Church didn't encourage the common man to read the Bible. How many commoners could actually read? And further, when you allow the Bible to be read by people who are not informed about the Sacred Tradition, or some of the nuances, it leads people to (gasp!) form their own conflicting [u]opinions[/u] about what the Bible actually says and from that arises remarkable discord...good thing that never happened, right? [/quote] Not to mention how Bibles were very treasured back then, they were all hand copied and chained to churches so they wouldn't be stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Imagine how long it would take to copy Genesis and check for spelling errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 yeah you didn't have spell check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartjp2 Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Nov 18 2004, 01:39 AM'] I disagree...i see the roman catholic church to be much like the pharisee's in Jesus time. Also some what diluded with praying to dead people in Mary as well as the saints. No point praying for a person once there gone as their test is over. Mary would have died in sin if weren't for Jesus as people where confused to the old covenant, even the priests which is evident in how they dealt with Christ but that was prophesy...so is Christ warning people about those liers who come in His name. Mary was blessed no doubt, but the trinity does not include her... The Roman Catholic church didn't even want the bible to be public some hundreds of years ago, this church is Constantine's idea of Christianity and puts too much emphasis on images..idols.."hail mary full of grace"..whats grace to u? [/quote] I saw from the first few lines of this post that it's not the issue of the Church not agreeing with the Bible, quite far from it. This is the issue of a protestant who isn't informed on what the church teaches and does, and therefor, lacks the understanding of the Catholic Church in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 The Roman Catholic church didn't even want the bible to be public some hundreds of years ago Oh boy. Specifically when? The Church has never denied Sacred Scripture to God's children. Dare I ask if you are referring to the time before the invention of the printing press? Pax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The first sentence of my previous post is a quote. I did not, nor ever said that. Just wanted to clarify that I forgot to click on the quote button. Oooppppsy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 (edited) uneduacted about the Roman Catholic culture? Roman Catholic profess to know Jesus but bow down before Mary. Idolitary, you shall bow down before no other Gods but God. If you need to know about the trinity than let me know. Instead of dismissing what I say so fast, reply and show me how smart and intelligent you are before you ask St. Joan to give a message to Mary to give to Jesus about how to answer. You people say I lack knowledge of the bible? Lets turn this into a quick bible study as to the make up of Yeshua. Can anyone here tell the significance of the hebrew word Elohim, also for such educated people, whats the significance of the lion, the ox, the man, and the eagle....you say protestant because i don't worship idols. The Roman catholic church killed Luther for speaking the truth. Call me Christian, a disciple of the ONLY true and living, a truely God blessed child. Time for a good ol' fashioned Living Word study, and yeah, i'll use broken english seen? Don't be so quick to put a man down. WAKE UP!!! I asked what grace was. Edited November 19, 2004 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I can say without doubt that all the Catholics here Worship and Adore God alone. It is true that we respect and love Mary, but do not dilude yourself, we do not Worship Mary, we have never worshiped Mary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 the Catholic Church killed Martin Luther? get your history strait if i remember correctly, those are the 4 gospels. the eagle is John cause his gospel looks at things from a higher perspective, Matthew's the human taking a more human perspective approach, Mark was the lion and Luke was the ox, i forget why for those two. we do not commit Idolatry, the worship of anything else than God. we honor God's creatures who have gone before us and are now in heaven with God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Catalyst' date='Nov 19 2004, 12:04 AM'] uneduacted about the Roman Catholic culture? Roman Catholic profess to know Jesus but bow down before Mary. Idolitary, you shall bow down before no other Gods but God. If you need to know about the trinity than let me know. Instead of dismissing what I say so fast, reply and show me how smart and intelligent you are before you ask St. Joan to give a message to Mary to give to Jesus about how to answer. You people say I lack knowledge of the bible? Lets turn this into a quick bible study as to the make up of Yeshua. Can anyone here tell the significance of the hebrew word Elohim, also for such educated people, whats the significance of the lion, the ox, the man, and the eagle....you say protestant because i don't worship idols. The Roman catholic church killed Luther for speaking the truth. Call me Christian, a disciple of the ONLY true and living, a truely God blessed child. Time for a good ol' fashioned Living Word study, and yeah, i'll use broken english seen? Don't be so quick to put a man down. WAKE UP!!! I asked what grace was. [/quote] lol Elementary dear Watson [u]Elohim[/u] is the plural derivative of[u] El[/u] {common name for GOD}The proper name is [u]Yahweh[/u]. THe lion ox man and eagle are the signs of the four Evangelists Matthew Mark Luke and John And no, we didn't kill Luther. Edited November 19, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noncatholicname Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 [quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:09 PM'] I can say without doubt that all the Catholics here Worship and Adore God alone. It is true that we respect and love Mary, but do not dilude yourself, we do not Worship Mary, we have never worshiped Mary. [/quote] Never? Really, never? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The ox, eagle, man and lion are the Cheribum that surround the trhone of God. As Aluigi said each one also representative of each writer or rather the view that they represent of the bible, Mark had the Ox (a symbol of servanthaood), Luke, the son of man, John the son of God in the heavens and Matthew the lion of Judah. Also These also were the principal tribal standards that rallied the four "camps" of Israel (each camp consisting of three tribes) that encamped around the Tabernacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Grace comes from the Latin gratia -a gift freely given. Grace is a gift from God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 18 2004, 10:20 PM'] Never? Really, never? [/quote] really. if you wish to prove otherwise, by all means, that is what we are here for. to clear the misconceptions of the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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