Are You Saved?

[Guest Aluigi]

The Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew Chapter X, Verse XXII
The Sacred Words of Our Lord Jesus Christ:
[color=#FF0000]he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.[/color]

If I persevere to the end, I will be eternally saved.

[Guest Aluigi]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 16 2004, 07:20 PM'] [b]I have been saved[/b] [i]Rom. 8:24; Eph. 2:5,8; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 3:5[/i]
[b]I am being saved[/b] [i]1 Cor. 1:18; 2 Cor. 2:15; Phil. 2:12; 1 Peter 1:9[/i]
[b]I will be saved in the end[/b] <if I persevere [i]Mt. 10:22; Mt. 24:13[/i] and work out my salvation in fear and trembling [i]Php. 2:12[/i]> [i]Matt. 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13; Mark 16:16; Acts 15:11; Rom. 5:9-10; Rom. 13:11; 1 Cor. 3:15; 1 Cor. 5:5; 2 Tim. 2:11-12; Heb. 9:28; James 5:15 [/i]

that's the only Biblical perspective [/quote]
I repeat.

[Guest Aluigi]

Following Saint Paul's advice in his Epistle to the Romans (hey, I'm basically a Roman, Catholic in the Roman Rite ) [i]Chapter XII Verse XII[/i], I rejoice in my hope (not my assurance) for salvation.

[jesussaves]

The Lord is my Shepard.

[Guest Aluigi]

woops, this is all so confusing! so many polls.. sheesh lol

I rejoice in the hope that I have of eternal salvation through Christ.

If on my deathbed I reject Him in my heart, I will go to hell just as if I had rejected Him right now and lived a life of sin. Heaven is for those who persevere to the end, my poor confused friend, not those who at one point accept Christ.

I guess I'll vote maybe... though I would love to vote probably (i have tremendous hope through my faith)

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Dave' date='Nov 16 2004, 08:14 PM'] I have been saved, I am currently being saved, and I hope to be saved. [/quote]
Word.

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 16 2004, 08:04 PM'] The Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew Chapter X, Verse XXII
The Sacred Words of Our Lord Jesus Christ:
[color=#FF0000]he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.[/color]

If I persevere to the end, I will be eternally saved. [/quote]
You [i]will[/i] be eternally saved. I believe that of you. Why don't you?

God made a promise for his Son's sake. All that are given to him, he will not lose. To suggest that Jesus can "lose" you is to suggest that nothing that he did was good enough to accomplish the task of salvation.

Hope, faith and love are separate things. Hope does not equal faith. Yesterday on another thread most of you said that you are saved by faith, but you all constantly stop short of Giving God the full Glory per [i]his[/i] work on the cross. With you guys, it's "grace", but not grace alone. It's Christ, but not Christ alone. It's faith, but not faith alone.

It's faith plus yourselves, which is no faith at all.

[Guest Aluigi]

oi ve.

i have no assurance of my future salvation and neither do you. that's what the Bible says.

faith is dead without works, that's what the Bible says.

I'll follow the Bible in its full context, and you can follow the misconceptions you've developed about it based on verses out of context.

[quote]It's faith plus yourselves, which is no faith at all.[/quote]
Correction: faith without works is no faith at all (St. Jame's inspired epistle!)

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 16 2004, 08:18 PM'] Following Saint Paul's advice in his Epistle to the Romans (hey, I'm basically a Roman, Catholic in the Roman Rite ) [i]Chapter XII Verse XII[/i], I rejoice in my hope (not my assurance) for salvation. [/quote]
Dude...

[i]Ro 12:12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.[/i]

Where is the mention of salvation? This passage is about love.

[Guest Aluigi]

Be rejoicing in hope. Patient in tribulation. Instant in prayer.



That's just the scripture pertinent to my attitude regarding my salvation.

Edited November 17, 2004 by Aluigi

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 16 2004, 08:38 PM'] oi ve.

i have no assurance of my future salvation and neither do you. that's what the Bible says.

faith is dead without works, that's what the Bible says.

I'll follow the Bible in its full context, and you can follow the misconceptions you've developed about it based on verses out of context.


Correction: faith without works is no faith at all (St. Jame's inspired epistle!) [/quote]
Wow. James is better than Jesus, eh?

What about what Jesus told the rich young ruler? That man told Jesus he'd kept the commandments since his was a child, but Jesus struck that down rather quickly, did he not?

And what about the parable of the workers in the vineyard? He who is first shall be last and the last, first?

And what about the Pharisee and tax collector? Who went home justified? The one with all the good works? Or the cast off tax collector?

God proved in his word, over and over, that humans cant be trusted to do the work that is salvation. Adam couldn't do it, Israel couldn't do it, but for some reason, you can all of a sudden? Why? If it's not due to God's promise, on accoung of his Son, our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ... It's not the work of the Gospel testified to by the Holy Spirit, then yes indeed it is just you, and you are doomed.

But you are not, because the righteousness required by the righteous demands of a Just and Holy God have been met in Christ. This is what Paul tells us, this is what Jesus told us, but the schism of the reformation caused many to take the opposite route and try to walk the narrow path alone. They cannot do it alone. No one ever could without faith, and in the end it was that faith alone that did it.

All else is secondary. Humans don't like to hear that they contribute nothing to thier own salvation. That is a shame, because in the end, the free gift of grace is the only good reason a Christian has to fight the good fight of sanctification. The problem is people think that the fight itself saves them, but it doesn't.

Sorry, but it has to be said. Someone just coming in and crying "repent" doesn't do it for many people.

[noncatholicname]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 16 2004, 08:44 PM'] Be rejoicing in hope. Patient in tribulation. Instant in prayer.



That's just the scripture pertinent to my attitude regarding my salvation. [/quote]
The passage is still about love.

[toledo_jesus]

It isn't Jesus losing us, it is us making the decision to act in a way that cuts us off from Jesus and His Father's obvious requirements to join Him. Our salvation is an immediate thing, minute to minute. To claim that accepting Jesus as your Savior one time and never being able to throw that Salvation away is not a well thought out position.

[ironmonk]

Why don't you believe the words of Christ?



[b]St. Matt 10:22[/b]
[color=red]You will be hated by all because of my name, [b]but whoever endures to the end will be saved.[/b][/color]

[b]St. Matt 24:13[/b]
[b][color=red]But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.[/color][/b]



Have you endured to the end of your life yet?

If not, you do not know if you will be saved.

Or do you say that Jesus lied?

[Guest Aluigi]

all your examples: grace n faith missing! duh! but james, INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, says faith needs works. the rich guy was asked to sell all he had and give it to the poor (a work!) but he didn't. his faith was dead.

[i]The Holy Gospel according to Saint Matthew, Chapter XIX, Verses xvi-xvii[/i] And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting?
[The Sacred Words of Our Lord Jesus Christ:]
[color=#FF0000] Who said to him: Why askest thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[/color]