The Democratic Party is Evil.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Nov 20 2004, 01:51 AM'] Socrates-- you need to back off-- I'll tell you my answer when those who ccan't come up with an actual arguement have said such things to me--- THIS IS MY HOME, the fact that those that governn it do so in an immoral way has nothing to do with the fact that I am tied to it, it is MINE as much as anyones, and I have every right to try and effect it's government. More than that I have MORE right than most because my veiws on Government are the correct ones and frankly anyone who materially disagrees with me is wrong( not neccessarly Evil just wrong) that sounds arrogant doesn't it but frankly its not my ideas on government are not original they where conceived of by men of far greater stature than myself, I simply recognize that the Catholic way is the RIGHT way Capitalism has been specifically condemned by the Church so has Seperation of Church and State so have many other things which our Country and Founders subsrcibe(d) to. I could easily say the same to you, " If you like those practices that are condemned by the Church so much why don't you go to a country that is in formal opposition to Her how about Cuba they are a good secularlist government" why don't I say things like that to you because they are the refuge of those who have nothing to say, --- don't attack the man put forward your Ideas and explain why there better than His but this behavior is rude, Childish and frankly beneath the dignaty of one who calls themselves CATHOLIC. [/quote]
MIght want to note: the post in question was addressed to Catholic Crusader, not Don John (as I quoted CC's post).
Might try reading the beginning of the posts before you jump all over them.

Same principles apply. Many brave men made great sacrifices for the freedoms which you and I enjoy. The least we can do is show some gratitude and humility, rather than using our freedoms and privileges to whine about how horrible their country is. Quite frankly this attitude makes me sick.

It is especially ironic coming from those whose whole way of life seems to be based on using the freedoms (as of speech) and comforts that were earned for them by others.
I never complained in this way. I love my country, though I know it is not perfect, and has taken some wrong turns in modern times. I am grateful for the privileges I have here, and do not take them for granted. I never said this country was too religious.
Try mouthing off this hatred of America to a vet (popepiusx is one), and see what they think. I didn't make it through OCS at Qunatico, though my experience there has given me some appreciation of what those men go through who dedicate their lives to defending thier country - (and even preserving the freedoms of those who hate their country).

[Don John of Austria]

I know who you where adressing, you where still out of line

[CatholicCrusader]

[quote]Many brave men made great sacrifices for the freedoms which you and I enjoy.  The least we can do is show some gratitude and humility, rather than using our freedoms and privileges to whine about how horrible their country is.  Quite frankly this attitude makes me sick. [/quote]

Are we lucky because we now have the freedom to blaspheme God, be heretical, denounce the Church, say whatever we want, whereas before we had the freedom and right and DUTY to follow the Church and speak out openly WITHIN THE SPECTRUM OF CHURCH TEACHING, under the Catholic Governments of Christendom? Is that what you are saying?

[JP2Iloveyou]

I'm going to post this AGAIN. Please read Freedom of Conscience and of Religion. Here are a couple quotes.

[quote]During these last decades the Catholic Church has reflected deeply on the theme of human rights, especially on freedom of conscience and of religion...The Church would like to submit a few special considerations on this theme to the distinguished authorities of the Helsinki Final Act's signatory countries, with a view to encouraging a serious examination of the present situation of this liberty [b]so as to ensure that it is effectively guaranteed everywhere.[/b][/quote]

[quote]On the basis of his personal convictions, man is led to recognize and follow a religious or metaphysical concept involving his whole life with regard to fundamental choices and attitudes. This inner reflection, even if it does not result in an explicit and positive assertion of faith in God, cannot but be respected in the name of the dignity of each one's conscience, whose hidden searching may not be judged by others. Thus, on the one hand, each individual has the right and duty to seek the truth, and, on the other hand, other persons as well as civil society have the corresponding duty to respect the free spiritual development of each person.[/quote]

Now, I read a while back that The United States of America should not even be a country because she waged an unjust war with Great Britain in declaring independence. Could I have some reasoning for this?

Secondly, as regards women. Whoever posted a while back that women are the subjects of men and shouldn't be allowed to vote, etc., etc. needs to reread Ephesians 5 because you are totally taking the verse, "Wives be submissive to your husbands" out of context. Women, as well as men certainly do have the right to vote. As proof, I give you [i]Gaudium et Spes[/i] 31 section 3, "One must pay tribute to those nations whose systems permit the largest possible number of the citizens to take part in public life in a climate of genuine freedom." The Catechism uses this quote in paragraph 1915:

[quote]As far as possible citizens should take an active part in public life. The manner of this participation may vary from one country or culture to another. "One must pay tribute to those nations whose systems permit the largest possible number of the citizens to take part in public life in a climate of genuine freedom."[/quote]

CCC 2240 says:
[quote]Submission to authority and co-responsibility for the common good make it morally obligatory to pay taxes, [b]to exercise the right to vote[/b], and to defend one's country.[/quote]

God Bless,
JP2Iloveyou