Unleash Israel and Win Peace

[ironmonk]

Interesting theory that I think might be correct... Very strong argument for it....

Not my writing....

[b]Unleash Israel and Win Peace [/b]

The only way some form of quiet will ever exist in the Middle East is if Israel is given the latitude to totally defeat its declared enemies. Only then will the terrorist attacks on Israel's civilians come to an end. Perpetual negotiations, diplomatic half measures, or land for peace deals will not bring peace to the Middle East. For those who believe this is an irresponsible notion, I use history as my guide.

Today marks the 60th anniversary of Imperial Japan's unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor, in which 2,500 Americans were killed. There are lessons to be learned from our victory in that war.

In his April 16, 1945 address before a Joint Session of Congress, President Harry Truman stated: "So there can be no possible misunderstanding, both Germany and Japan can be certain, beyond any shadow of doubt, that America will continue the fight for freedom until no vestige of resistance remains. We are deeply conscious of the fact that much hard fighting is still ahead of us. Having to pay such a heavy price to make complete victory certain, America will never become a party to any plan for partial victory. To settle for merely another temporary respite would surely jeopardize the future security of the world. Our demand has been, and it remains, unconditional surrender."

On August 6, 1945, just 16-hours after the United States dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, Truman issued a statement which said, in part: "The Japanese began the war from the air at Pearl Harbor. They have been repaid many fold. … We are now prepared to obliterate more rapidly and completely every productive enterprise the Japanese have above ground in any city. We shall destroy their docks, their factories, and their communications. Let there be no mistake: we shall completely destroy Japan's power to make war."

Truman understood that there could be no peace without total victory. This lesson has not been lost on President George Bush. On September 20, 2001, Bush also addressed a Joint Session of Congress and announced America's policy - "the Bush Doctrine" - in responding to the atrocities of September 11. He stated: " … Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated."

Bush stated further: " … We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime."

Since September 11, Bush has refused all offers by the Taliban regime to negotiate any settlement of the war - including the status of Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants in the al Qaeda terrorist network - short of outright surrender. As Bush once eloquently put it: bin Laden is "wanted, dead or alive." And for over two months, the U.S. has been systematically bombing the Taliban and al Qaeda day and night. Already, the Bush administration is planning the next phase of the war, which may involve U.S. military action in Iraq, Somalia and elsewhere.

So, in the two most recent examples of the U.S. being attacked on its own territory, America's predicate for peace has been the total annihilation of its enemies. And there is every reason to expect Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to have learned the same lesson.

Since 1948, Israel has been forced to fight 4 wars with the hostile nations surrounding her. Despite defeating her enemies on the battlefield, the international community has never permitted Israel to completely destroy any of these regimes - none of which are democracies. They've always been left largely in tact, free to start or support another war, including the current terrorist war now being waged against Israel's citizens. And between wars, Israel's enemies have convinced the world, including the U.S., that her borders and security are not only legitimate subjects of constant negotiations, but that Israel's refusal to accept most, if not all, of her enemies' demands is an obstacle to peace.

This week Hamas and other terrorist groups - which, like certain of the countries that surround Israel, seek the destruction of Israel, not co- existence or even the establishment of a Palestinian state - intensified their war against the Jewish state by unleashing 5 fanatic suicide bombers against innocent civilians, mostly children. The result: hundreds of casualties, including 26 dead. In the past 14 months, more than 230 Israelis have been killed - the proportional equivalent to the U.S. losing some 11,000 people.

In addition to Hamas, which receives support from Palestinian expatriates, wealthy Saudi Arabians, and Iran, Israel is under attack from, among others, Hizballah, which is supported by Syria and Iran, and Islamic Jihad, which is backed by Iran, Sudan and militant Islamic groups.

On December 4, in an address to his nation, Sharon stated: " … A war has been forced upon us. A war of terror. A war that claims innocent victims daily. A war of terror being conducted systematically, in an organized fashion, and with methodical direction. … We will pursue those responsible, the perpetrators of terrorism and the supporters. We will pursue them until we catch them, and they will pay a price."

Ironically, the major obstacle to Sharon implementing the Bush Doctrine has been U.S. Middle East policy. When attacked by terrorists, Israel has been urged to show "restraint," to make more negotiated concessions and even accept the creation of a hostile Palestinian state on its border. This week's carnage appears to have caused some positive change in America's rhetoric and position. The president has now pointed the finger of responsibility directly at Yassar Arafat for ending the terrorism committed by his people. But accomplishing peace requires more - much more.

Truman was right to insist that peace would only be realized after the "obliteration" of the Japanese war machine, just as Bush is right about "defeating" the Taliban, al Qaeda and other terrorist networks. It is, therefore, necessary that in the pursuit of real and lasting peace, Israel also be free to destroy its enemies - meaning the terrorists and, yes, their sponsors, who are at war with her, and that she do so before they obtain devastating weapons of mass destruction.





God Bless,
ironmonk

[dUSt]

Seems outdated now that Arafat is dead. Did you watch the press conference Bush and Blair had this morning?

[God Conquers]

I also definately do not think that would solve the problem... it would likely worsen it.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Nov 12 2004, 03:34 PM'] Seems outdated now that Arafat is dead. Did you watch the press conference Bush and Blair had this morning? [/quote]
I didn't write it... it was written back in 2001.


On the topic...
I think Israel should be able to defend themselves as they see fit.

The neighboring governments that try to attack them, should be eleminated. There is no reason to attack them other than the attackers are muslims and Israeli's are Jews.

Take the attacking countries governments out of power, and it will solve something. If all governments knew that they would be taken out of power if they attacked other countries, then there would be peace.

The only way to secure peace is to take out waring countries. Some might say that the only way is through Christ - I know this, but because of human nature, it's not happening in our lifetime... too many people do not accept Christ. Some might say that the USA is a waring country... no we're not, we're stuck policing the world because the UN does no good, they're too busy killing innocent babies in the womb in third world countries under the guise of health support.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[yiannii]

I think the Palestinians should have their land back - after all they are the ones that are going to need it seeing they actually have a sizeable population growth. Israel has high abortion rates and a lower birth rate than Palestine.

Also doesn't Israel deny entry to those who are baptised?

[ironmonk]

[quote name='yiannii' date='Nov 14 2004, 04:44 AM'] I think the Palestinians should have their land back - after all they are the ones that are going to need it seeing they actually have a sizeable population growth. Israel has high abortion rates and a lower birth rate than Palestine.

[/quote]
It's not the palestinians land. It's Israel's.

If it was really about land, there is plenty of land in neighboring muslim countries.

It wouldn't supprise me if the other muslim countries were using the palestinian terrorists to fight a war against Israel.

Palestinians have been commiting terrorist acts for over thirty years now... they do not deserve the land.

[quote]Also doesn't Israel deny entry to those who are baptised?[/quote]

No.

Where did you hear such nonsense?


God Bless,
ironmonk

[yiannii]

We seem to have a different understanding of the history of Israel. As I understand it the state of Israel was created again for the Jews who fled from persecution during and after WWII. Around this time camps were set up for the Jews and later to become the state which is now known as Israel. Yes historically there was a state called Israel but over time this diminished.

One of my great uncles can recall the fencing which defined the newly created state of Israel.

About the baptism thing – I have a friend who is a Jew who wants to become a Jewish-Christian. He claims that if he was baptised he wouldn’t be allowed entry into the state of Israel – one of the factors deterring him from becoming a Christian. I will try and find some proof for this claim tomorrow when I am more alert.

[yiannii]

Is the US pressing Israel to disarm their nuclear weapons?

Does Palestine have nuclear weapons?

[musturde]

I didn't like the fact that all the palestinians were kicked out of Israel. Israel's not the "oh so innocent one" either. They do some really stupid things that get the their neighboring countries mad at them as well. Britain should never have given land they had no buisness in giving. This was the start of the war.

[yiannii]

[quote name='musturde' date='Nov 15 2004, 12:54 AM'] I didn't like the fact that all the palestinians were kicked out of Israel. Israel's not the "oh so innocent one" either. They do some really stupid things that get the their neighboring countries mad at them as well. Britain should never have given land they had no buisness in giving. This was the start of the war. [/quote]
Lets not forget how the British were driven out of Israel -
In July 1946 members of the Irgun (a Jewish terrorist group) detonated a car bomb at the King David Hotel headquarters of the British military, killing 88 in the blast.

The British left in 1947 and handed the problem over to the UN.

Some people argue that this was one of the first acts of terrorism as we know it....

Edited November 14, 2004 by yiannii

[F.A.]

Iron Monk,

The problem is that Isreal is not defending itself. I personally am an Arab (half Jordanian/ half Palestinean). My mother's family had to escape Isreal when the Isreali's were given the stolen land. I know of people that lost everything when the Isreali's came to settle. Till now there are people who are kicked out of their houses and their small farms destroyed (their only source of income). Last one I knew of was a middle-aged man who is of bedawin descent (very simple country people) who has three children (two girls and one boy all under the age of 12), one source of income (that being his small farm). He fled his home when a bunch of militant settlers came and attacked his village. When he returned he found his house demolished and his farm flattened. He has lost everything in less than a week. That happened two years ago.

I seem to sense a great amount of racism towards Arabs within the west. We are not bad people. We have just been stepped on too many times. The rich part of the Middle East is being milked of oil. While the poor part (think majority) is left to whither away. We have a lot of beggers roaming our streets. The average family income in Jordan is $US135 a month. This is while the price of products is just like the price of the West. Services are cheaper though.

Back to the issue of Palestine. The biggest problem was Yasser Arafat and his gang of thugs. He bled the country dry. This lead to frustration among the youth and therby started an uprising. Islam certainly does not help. It is one of the worst religions in the world. Having lived in a Muslim country I can tell you that.

However on the flip-side. The Jews hate the Christians moreso than the muslims.

Please hear both sides of the debate. Do a bit of research about Areal Sharon. You will be shocked at the inhuman things this man has done.

God Bless,
F.A.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='F.A.' date='Nov 15 2004, 04:30 PM'] Iron Monk,

The problem is that Isreal is not defending itself. I personally am an Arab (half Jordanian/ half Palestinean). My mother's family had to escape Isreal when the Isreali's were given the stolen land. I know of people that lost everything when the Isreali's came to settle. Till now there are people who are kicked out of their houses and their small farms destroyed (their only source of income). Last one I knew of was a middle-aged man who is of bedawin descent (very simple country people) who has three children (two girls and one boy all under the age of 12), one source of income (that being his small farm). He fled his home when a bunch of militant settlers came and attacked his village. When he returned he found his house demolished and his farm flattened. He has lost everything in less than a week. That happened two years ago.

I seem to sense a great amount of racism towards Arabs within the west. We are not bad people. We have just been stepped on too many times. The rich part of the Middle East is being milked of oil. While the poor part (think majority) is left to whither away. We have a lot of beggers roaming our streets. The average family income in Jordan is $US135 a month. This is while the price of products is just like the price of the West. Services are cheaper though.

Back to the issue of Palestine. The biggest problem was Yasser Arafat and his gang of thugs. He bled the country dry. This lead to frustration among the youth and therby started an uprising. Islam certainly does not help. It is one of the worst religions in the world. Having lived in a Muslim country I can tell you that.

However on the flip-side. The Jews hate the Christians moreso than the muslims.

Please hear both sides of the debate. Do a bit of research about Areal Sharon. You will be shocked at the inhuman things this man has done.

God Bless,
F.A. [/quote]
I will do more research.

God Bless,
ironmonk