StColette Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 (edited) [quote name='CatholicforChrist' date='Nov 11 2004, 02:10 PM'] The International Fatima Rosary Crusade, founded and currently headed by Fr. Nicholas Gruner, has more information, which I have read. [/quote] I've read the stuff by Fr. Nicholas Gruner also, but I also know that there is some concern towards his fidelity. [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/sites/site_view.cfm?recnum=41"]http://www.catholicculture.org/sites/site_view.cfm?recnum=41[/url] Catholic Apologetics International is also another site to refrain from [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/sites/site_view.cfm?recnum=1900"]http://www.catholicculture.org/sites/site_...cfm?recnum=1900[/url] Edited November 11, 2004 by StColette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.A. Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 (edited) StColette, This is trying to deny the truth. For Russian still has 11,000 nuclear weapons still pointed at the US. Secondly, Mikhail Gorbachev is pushing for a secular EU (which is happening as we speak). He is one of the "main men" of the EU. Thirdly. The ceremonies around the Fatima are a desecration. Same as the Assissi Gatherings every year. Having Hindus come and worship our Lady as a goddess is an abonomation. Fourth. Russia still has the highest abortion rates world wide. For every live birth there are 2.6 abortions. Fifth. Under Vladamir Putin, Russia is slowly going back to the old days of communism. Sixth. The escalation of tensions in the Middle East is far from the promised peace. Seventh. Our Lady tells Father Gobbi (founder of the Marian Movement of Priests) that the consecration has not been done and just like the King of France the Consecration will be done, but at a stage too late. I could go on and on. But you should see the point. I have been looking at both sides of the debate and the more I read the more I come to the conclusion that the consecration has not been done. God Bless, F.A. Edited November 11, 2004 by F.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Believe me if you can give me a site that shows true fidelity to the Church and to the Pope and doesn't twist the words of the Pope or Sr. Lucia around I would be happy to believe you. But seeing as my fidelity is to the Church and the Pope, you have not provided a site that fits those requirements. God Bless, Jennie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.A. Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 (edited) StColette, *Edit* Lets just say that the situation is much more complex than that */edit* God Bless, F.A. Edited November 11, 2004 by F.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.A. Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 (edited) Please StColette if you truly want to be objective you should read both sides of the story. Here is what Robert Sungenis has to say about the Catholic Culture website. Robert Sungenis God Bless, F.A. Edited November 11, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 F.A., since you are new here, you may not realize that on this board we do not allow for Pope bashing or Catholic vs Catholic debate ("neo conservatives" vs. "traditional" - i'm putting that it quotes because i honestly think the labels are ridiculous) people who do these things end up getting warned and then kicked off...so please be aware of that and edit your posts before a moderator does it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 [quote name='F.A.' date='Nov 11 2004, 04:23 PM'] Please StColette if you truly want to be objective you should read both sides of the story. Here is what Robert Sungenis has to say about the Catholic Culture website. [url="http://www.catholicintl.com/catholicissues/mirus1.htm"]Robert Sungenis[/url] God Bless, F.A. [/quote] Hehe...F.A....nescis quod faceres... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.A. Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 Umm since I am new at this (and lack what most people call "tact"). Could someone please point what parts I should modify. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, F.A. PS. StColette I never meant this to be an attack on you, and if it sounded as such then I sincerly apologize. Hope you will forgive any wrong doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 F.A., it's okay, i just thought i would tell you because you are new here and might not know the rules... for example, stuff like: [quote]The consecration has not been done and the Vatican hierarchy is trying to do everything to ignore the message of Fatima.[/quote] is probably not in the best interest to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.A. Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 (edited) Thanks, modified that bit. Does anything else look too aggressive? Once again thanks for your help. *edit* Now rereading all that I have written I don't think the moderators would be too happy with most of the stuff I have written. I should probably delete most of it and just present the links with a small text next to them. Then again I'm not sure. *edit* *edit2* Snipped heaps more. If any moderator takes offense with anything I have written I would remove some more if necessary */edit2* God Bless, F.A. Edited November 11, 2004 by F.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 F.A. i sent you a private message, but disregard, because it looks a lot better...thank you so much!!! we like having new people here and we'd love for you to stick around. God bless. go to "Open Mic" and introduce yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.A. Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 I think I might, however at this stage sleep looks like a more important issue (its 5:08 AM here now). Thanks, F.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 oh wow, yeah, go sleep and introduce yourself later! Have a good sleep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 11 2004, 02:09 PM'] The Third Secret has not been revealed yet. And Ratzinger did say the same. Moreover, I think that it is at least fallibly taught that the last Pope will be the Anti-Christ, can someone from Apologetics possibly help me on that? If that is the case, then XIX, your idea that "the Church [read: Pope] becoming an apostate makes it an illogical notion to be Catholic" cannot stand, if I am correct on this point, which, as I said, I would appreciate any help from someone on that. [/quote] Yes it has. Ratzinger did not say it was not revealed. It is not taught that the last Pope will be the anti-Christ. Get a copy of [i]Trial Tribulation and Triumph[/i] by Desmond Birch which is the definitive book on the last days, which we are NOT in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 [quote name='CatholicforChrist' date='Nov 11 2004, 04:10 PM'] Sister Lucia, the only one left of the Fatima children, has said that the Third Secret has not been revealed and that Russia is not Consecrated to Our Lady. The International Fatima Rosary Crusade, founded and currently headed by Fr. Nicholas Gruner, has more information, which I have read. [/quote] Wrong. Father Gruner was suspended from his faculties, he is NOT a legitimate or CREDIBLE source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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