Lil Red Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 haha, i love rap...don't ask me why....but i do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 10 2004, 05:54 PM'] I am completely against Kerry--but not for Bush--I am for a candidate who is in line with what the Church teaches. That being said, I would like to comment on somthing this Ted fellow wrote (being from Connecticut myself): "So our guy lost the election. Why shouldn't those of us on the coasts feel superior? We eat better," True "travel more," True "dress better," VERY True "watch cooler movies," Probably true "earn better salaries," True "meet more interesting people," Depends what you mean "listen to better music" That is also definitely true... e.g., WABE, the station that plays the liberal NPR, has classical music on during the day--most rednecks listen to country, and in the southern intercities, especially Atlanta, they listen to the ungodly rap "and know more about what's going on in the world." That's also probably true Basically... the general populus, especially in New England, has everything right except morals and politics (they've got the Religion correct, just need to actually follow it), but I don't know how someone could think that middle American and especially the South is more elegant than New England. The manners are non-existant for the most part, and there is little to no class. That doesn't change my beliefs of political stance, but just to show that even leftists like this guy are right about some things (I guess anything that doesn't deal with anything leftist ideals don't touch on). [/quote] classy Crusader, real classy (Sarcasm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 I'm not a fan of rap...except for a few artists, of course, most of whom are Phatmassers. However, the attitude that rap is intrinsically evil is misplaced... As for me, I'll take anything from classical, to big band, to R&B, to rock, to oldies, to soft rock, hard rock, rhapsody, polka, pub songs, gospel, and everything in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Better by whose standard? So what if the saleries are higher if it costs an ungodly amount to live there... My dad and brother both grew up in the midwest and both live in Maryland (in the DC suburbs) and [explitive deleated] if they haven't turned into self-righteous liberal snobs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 everybody polka!!!! I love all music ....but polkas and obereks are my favorite. They are so happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Their salaries are higher mainly because it costs more to live on the coasts....not because they are better people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForHimAlone Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Wow is all I can say in response to that article.... just wow...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 [quote name='BLAZEr' date='Nov 10 2004, 05:03 PM'] MC Just, I think it is important to distinguish what we mean when we say "Liberalism" . . . Cardinal Newman gives a great defense of a certain type of Liberalism . . . [/quote] It's obvious what Liberalism I'm talking about... You know Kerry's kinda liberalism.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Music, food and culture is all fine in itself, but God is not going to ask us how "cultured" and "hip" we are when we die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 As far as music goes... here are the notes for a sermon by my old Pastor who is now studying in Rome (probably under a teacher who doesn't even believe in the Real Presence... so sad the training is there): God is not mocked. . . He that soweth in the flesh shall reap corruption of the flesh; but he that soweth in the spirit, from the sprit shall reap eternal life. 21 September 2003 19th century, Dickens, Tale of Two Cities: Paris & London; life and death Naim and Capharnaum. Capharnaum: (Village of Consolation) Hometown of both Our Lord and St. Peter (Mt. 4:13; Mk. 1:29) Call of St. Matthew Faith/miracles: Paralytic let down through roof; Centurion’s servant It is shortly after this last miracle that Our Lord, followed by a “great multitude”, travels south towards Naim, an insignificant little town some 25 miles away, about two miles south of Mt. Tabor. Naim, by the way, means “beautiful meadow” At the city gates, the Lord encounters a funeral procession coming in the opposite direction. Consider the contrast between these two multitudes: Multitude from Capharnaum is full of expectation and hope, waiting to see what else the Lord will say and do. The multitude accompanying the weeping widow out of Naim is preoccupied with the untimely death of the only son. With just a few strokes of the pen, St. Luke has sketched a scene full of significance. From the “Village of consolation” the Lord of life approaches; from the beautiful meadow, the stark reality of death comes forth. On the spiritual level, Capharnaum and the great multitude signify both those filled with sanctifying grace, as well as the City of God, the great Ecclesia Dei, the Assembly or Church of God. Beautiful Naim, on the other hand, stands for the City of Man, where everything, no matter how beautiful or attractive it may be, is, in the final analysis, reducible to disillusion, despair, and death. For apart from the supernatural life of grace flowing from God through His Church, all of nature, however beautiful and attractive it may be in itself, will corrupt and die. Let’s focus on one of those gateways: the sense of hearing. Back in the 8th century, St. Bede the Venerable had this to say: “He who listens to evil tales, to licentious songs, to calumny or detraction, opens his ears and makes them the gate through which death enters the soul. That calumny, detraction, and evil tales existed in the 8th century probably surprises no one. But when it comes to licentious songs, we usually think of our own times rather than those of St. Bede some 1300 years ago. We think of Rock ‘n’ Roll and any number of its species: e.g., hard rock, punk, funk, grunge, gothic, heavy metal, rap, and new wave. The problems: sometimes the lyrics are bad (e.g., Imagine); sometimes the music is disordered but the lyrics are good (e.g., Christian rock); other times, both the lyrics and music are disordered (rap: degrades women) What do we mean by “bad” lyrics or disordered music? First, here’s what we don’t mean: By “bad” we don’t mean that the music is not attractive. On the contrary, rock musicians often do have a talent for melody: (Beatles, Led Zepelin (hypnotic), Billy Joel, Alabama, Yes, Rush, Doobie Brothers, Jethro Tull). Nor by “bad” do we mean cheap or superficial, vulgar or unrefined. To be sure, Rock ‘n’ Roll is cheap, superficial, often vulgar, and always unrefined—at least in comparison to Gregorian Chant, Palestrina, Vivaldi, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Brahms, Mendelssohn, Mahler, Liszt, Bruckner, Debussy, Prokofiev, Gottchalk, Lecuona, Cervantes, and many others. Nevertheless, it’s no sin to be unrefined. Rock ‘n’ Roll in general is bad because it encourages the young and impressionable to feel good about rebellion against authority (esp. against parents); it lures listeners into the trap of illicit sexual activity. Worse still, a lot of rock music exposes the listener to the world of drugs, witchcraft and the occult. Other songs promote nihilism, a sense of despair, even suicide. That being the case, I don’t think I am being unfair to Rock ‘n’ Roll when I say that it opposes the True, the Good, and the Beautiful; that it does little to edify the soul and draw it closer to God. Now, a lot of young people always justify their musical tastes by saying something like this: “I don’t listen to the lyrics. I just like the beat.” (Imagine an early Christian going to the Roman Circus, saying, Don’t worry, St. Paul, I don’t clap when the Christians get ripped apart by the lions; I just love the excitement and frenzy of the crowd, the action.) The music is a vehicle for the words. Listen to the music long enough and you will begin to be formed not only by the music, but also by the ideas contained in the lyrics. (Nazi Germany). But even if the lyrics were wholesome, one should also consider the influence of the music itself. As I said earlier, it’s possible to have a decent piece of music and lousy lyrics (e.g., Imagine). But it’s also possible to have objectively bad music, regardless whether the lyrics are good or bad. In other words, music is not simply a matter of taste. . . How to determine the moral quality of music. Melody: idea, intellect. Harmony: pleasing order, makes chaos more revolting. Rhythm: energy, drive of music: it gives it motion, life. When used in the service of melody and harmony, you hardly notice it. But when rhythm becomes predominant in a piece, it stirs the passions. As to which passions, that may depend on the context: battlefield or nightclub. Music is disordered if it encourages the passions to rule over the reason, to act chaotically. Now, Rock ‘n’ Roll, at least in its earliest stages, was recognized to be just that kind of music. At least Alan Freed, the man who coined the term R&R back in 1954 and brought this form of music to the mainstream market, made the connection. Or so it would seem, considering his choice of terms. What R&R meant originally. If it is true that R&R promotes rebellion, sexual immorality, violence against women, suicide, then it is not unreasonable to conclude that R&R promotes the agenda of Satan. If R&R promotes Satan’s agenda, then it’s fair to say that R&R (by and large) is diabolical. I realize this may seem shocking to many of you, even outrageous. In reply, all I can say is, don’t expect the devil to appear to you in person. The devil is far more subtle than that. He’ll take us out through our senses, through our flesh. So take St. Paul’s words to heart: “Be not deceived: God is not mocked. For what things a man shall sow, those also shall he reap. For he that soweth in his flesh, from the flesh also shall he reap corruption.” Final advice: in the beginning you must trust: it can be difficult to sense and experience the edifying power of great music. Listen to a great piece of music until you really enjoy it. Tony Myers. In a little while, when we receive Holy Communion, we will welcome Jesus our Lord and King, into our bodies and souls. Afterwards, Father will pray the following prayer: “May our body and soul, O Lord, be possessed by the operation of the heavenly gift (i.e., the Holy Eucharist), so that the graces flowing therefrom, and not the impulses of nature, may inspire all of our actions.” And I pray that everyone here today will be touched by the grace of God so as to have the courage to make this prayer his own; that he will examine all that he exposes himself to, including the music he listens to. May we all exercise greater vigilance over the gates of our souls and submit all that is dead in us to the Lord of Life, so that He can touch us and renew our minds and hearts just as he restored to life the youth from Naim when He said to him: “Young man, I say to thee, Arise!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rie84 Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Nov 10 2004, 01:44 PM'] Women have careers because they murder the human lives within them. [/quote] Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying the only reason women have careers is because they get abortions? What about the women who cannot have children? What about women who do not get married? What about women who do not want to have children? What about the women who go back to work after their children are in school? There is NOTHING wrong with those options. You are completly incorrect in your assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 [quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 10 2004, 06:16 PM'] Their salaries are higher mainly because it costs more to live on the coasts....not because they are better people. [/quote] Oui oui my friend. If Kerry voters are "smarter," then I counter that Bush voters are more generous and charitable. Check it: [url="http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041110/NEWS02/111100069/-1/news"]http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.d...1100069/-1/news[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted November 11, 2004 Share Posted November 11, 2004 [quote name='Rie84' date='Nov 10 2004, 08:49 PM'] Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying the only reason women have careers is because they get abortions? What about the women who cannot have children? What about women who do not get married? What about women who do not want to have children? What about the women who go back to work after their children are in school? There is NOTHING wrong with those options. You are completly incorrect in your assumptions. [/quote] Women who don't get married? You mean nuns? The "single life" is not a vocation. Women who do not want to have children? They are going against the Church's teachings. Women who go back to work? That is not the role of the woman--Catechism of Trent: the woman should love to stay at home and never presume to leave without the permission of her husband... basically the woman who wants to leave the house is not fulfilling her duty as a mother or wife. If she is not married, then she should be a nun or on the way to one of these two ends. The single life is not a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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