hyperdulia again Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 (edited) I do not belong to a political party. I was a Republican, but I left the GOP because I believe it has been high-jacked by neo-cons and fundamentalists. I will not join the Democartic Party, because it is wholly secularist in viewpoint and unreservedly pro-abortion. I would like to know what a Catholic who finds the two main parties repulsive and ineffectual is to do. I am not a fan of democracy (the lie that authority comes from people as opposed to Christ and His Church), but I live in a democratic republic nonetheless, so where am I to go to find political expression? The Church's teaches on human life bind me to one party. Her economic policies bind me to another. Edited November 9, 2004 by hyperdulia again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Hello. I think you and I are quite on the same page. The Republicans are secular, free-speach-loving liberals, too. I agree also that a republic or democracy based on the "people's authority" is absurd. It is quite a predicament. I do not belong to any political party. I would not vote for George Bush. The best candidate, I thought, last election was Michael Peroutka, but I found out he said some anti-Catholic things at one of his rallies. What are we to do? I suppose we could just write in Buchanan and be done with it... but there should be another option. There should be another party--Catholic in nature and defensive of all the Church teaches, including especially the condemnations of free spech, 'freedom' of religion, secularism, and all modernistic tendancies. I don't know what there really is to do. I suppose that is all I have. If anyone else would like to add or detract, feel free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:48 PM'] I do not belong to a political party. I was a Republican, but I left the GOP because I believe it has been high-jacked by neo-cons and fundamentalists. I will not join the Democartic Party, because it is wholly secularist in viewpoint and unreservedly pro-abortion. I would like to know what a Catholic who finds the two main parties repulsive and ineffectual is to do. I am not a fan of democracy (the lie that authority comes from people as opposed to Christ and His Church), but I live in a democratic republic nonetheless, so where am I to go to find political expression? The Church's teaches on human life bind me to one party. Her economic policies bind me to another. [/quote] I totally agree. NO party adequately addresses social justice issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:56 PM'] Hello. I think you and I are quite on the same page. The Republicans are secular, free-speach-loving liberals, too. I agree also that a republic or democracy based on the "people's authority" is absurd. It is quite a predicament. I do not belong to any political party. I would not vote for George Bush. The best candidate, I thought, last election was Michael Peroutka, but I found out he said some anti-Catholic things at one of his rallies. What are we to do? I suppose we could just write in Buchanan and be done with it... but there should be another option. There should be another party--Catholic in nature and defensive of all the Church teaches, including especially the condemnations of free spech, 'freedom' of religion, secularism, and all modernistic tendancies. I don't know what there really is to do. I suppose that is all I have. If anyone else would like to add or detract, feel free. [/quote] I briefly looked at Peroutka, but I was really turned off by his thoughts on immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 (edited) Hyperdulia, I can understand your frustration, as both parties have serious problems (though we'd probably disagree somewhat on exactly what the problems are.) Neo-cons and "fundamentalists" are really two different kinds of animals (though some fundies are Zionists in foreign-policy, and therefore support the Zionist-Jewish neocon policy) I see "fundamentalists" (by which I assume you mean also conservative, Evangelical protestants) as allies in the culture war. You complain that the Dems are too secular, yet do you want a more secularist Republican Party? I disagree with those who see Democratic (i.e. socialist) economic policies as being demanded by Church teaching. Economics is a matter of practical debate, and the Church does not teach ex-cathedra that one economic ssystem must be followed. I personally disagree that the liberal economic system is more moral and just (but that's another debate). UNfortunately, recent 3rd party conservatives have been too small to have an impact, and right now I think we should try to take back the Republican party, and at the same time keep liberal Dems out of power) I know - no easy solution. Edited November 9, 2004 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 "Truth is not decided by a majority vote"- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted November 9, 2004 Author Share Posted November 9, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:56 PM'] Hello. I think you and I are quite on the same page. The Republicans are secular, free-speach-loving liberals, too. I agree also that a republic or democracy based on the "people's authority" is absurd. It is quite a predicament. I do not belong to any political party. I would not vote for George Bush. The best candidate, I thought, last election was Michael Peroutka, but I found out he said some anti-Catholic things at one of his rallies. What are we to do? I suppose we could just write in Buchanan and be done with it... but there should be another option. There should be another party--Catholic in nature and defensive of all the Church teaches, including especially the condemnations of free spech, 'freedom' of religion, secularism, and all modernistic tendancies. I don't know what there really is to do. I suppose that is all I have. If anyone else would like to add or detract, feel free. [/quote] A Catholic political party repeatedly comes up, but I'm afraid it would only expose some of the rifts that exist between orthodox Catholics the Dorothy Day crowd vs the Santorum bunch. I also think distributism (corporatism) is a very hard sell indeed (it's to easy to decry it as socialism). For a Catholic political party to function on the national level in this country it would have to appeal to Protestants too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 I think it will be very difficult to do..... although, in my context (Canadian) in maybe 50 years we could do it... once all the Catholics get re-evangelized. Canada has way more Catholics than Protestants, which is why we tend to be more "liberal". I think distributism would be (should be?) easy to sell as a viable economic model to a properly informed Catholic populace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 one day I will run for president then you can all vote for me let's do the math.. i'm 17 now, need to be 35 to run for pres (unless Arnold gets ALL the requirements revoked, lol). So in 18 years I'll be old enough. But I'll have to wait two years, so in 20 years. So look for me in 2024. Until then, go hide in a cave and dissassosiate yourself from American politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 With all due respect, I can't believe what I'm reading. [quote]There should be another party--Catholic in nature and defensive of all the Church teaches, including especially the condemnations of free spech, 'freedom' of religion, secularism, and all modernistic tendancies.[/quote] [quote]The Republicans are secular, free-speach-loving liberals, too. I agree also that a republic or democracy based on the "people's authority" is absurd.[/quote] Huh? These are just two quotes from this thread. And you call others extremists, fundamentalists, and neo-cons? You guys need to wake up. Seriously. Perhaps you should think twice before exercising your right to free speech you so quickly condemn. You're living in a dream world. The way our government is set up will only allow for a two-party system. I think I might start calling some of you extremists, fundamentalists, and neo-fascists. Before spouting somthing like this, you should read some of Pope John Paul II's writings. I recommend starting with "Freedom of Conscience and Religion" and "Solicitudo Rei Socialis." To get you started, I've provided a couple of quotes from His Holiness. It's no wonder so many people are turned off by the arrogance displayed by some in the Church. [quote]On the internal level of every nation, respect for all rights takes on great importance, especially: the right to life at every stage of its existence; the rights of the family, as the basic social community, or "cell of society"; justice in employment relationships; the rights inherent in the life of the political community as such; the rights based on the transcendent vocation of the human being, beginning with the right of freedom to profess and practice one's own religious belief.[/quote] [quote]On the basis of his personal convictions, man is led to recognize and follow a religious or metaphysical concept involving his whole life with regard to fundamental choices and attitudes. This inner reflection, even if it does not result in an explicit and positive assertion of faith in God, cannot but be respected in the name of the dignity of each one's conscience, whose hidden searching may not be judged by others. Thus, on the one hand, each individual has the right and duty to seek the truth, and, on the other hand, other persons as well as civil society have the corresponding duty to respect the free spiritual development of each person.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Yeah, its a tough call when you have to align yourself with things you don't necessarily agree with (I won't be Dem. because even their party platform includes being pro-abortion). Here in OH I am registered as a Rep. In NY they actually have a Right to Life party, thats what my Mom is registered as (she doesn't have to choose either Rep or Dem for her political party)--if only every state had that, I think it would be quite a bit easier to choose a political party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Hyperdulia.... I feel EXACTLY the same way that you do. There is no real viable party for a seriously Catholic voter. -_- This is exactly why I am studying politics now, because I am dissatisfied with many of the politicians in office today. I am hoping that one day I will be able to enter the political realm and I pray every day that God will somehow give me the strength to hold strong to the teachings of His Church. Balthazor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 As romantic as it might seem to not join either the Reps or the Dems...... the fact is you are then excluding yourself from the primary elections. When you don't vote for any primary election then how can you justify whining about the "poor" choices we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 (edited) [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Nov 9 2004, 01:09 PM'] A Catholic political party repeatedly comes up, but I'm afraid it would only expose some of the rifts that exist between orthodox Catholics the Dorothy Day crowd vs the Santorum bunch. I also think distributism (corporatism) is a very hard sell indeed (it's to easy to decry it as socialism). For a Catholic political party to function on the national level in this country it would have to appeal to Protestants too. [/quote] Distributism is quite controversial in Catholic circles. Distributists are well-intentioned people with some noble goals, but I do not believe their system will work in the real world, and it gives the government way too much power over people's private property and money, (to the extent that it can hardly be considered private). A distibutist system, I'm afraid, would greatly increase poverty. And while distributists claim to be for small, localized government, I'm afraid that in practice, to enforce distributivist property laws would require an over-powerful, meddlesome government (esp. how in real life, power corrupts). Some see it otherwise, but a lot of us are unconvinced. Edited November 10, 2004 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:56 PM'] There should be another party--Catholic in nature and defensive of all the Church teaches, including especially the condemnations of free spech, 'freedom' of religion, secularism, and all modernistic tendancies. [/quote] That party will be be popular! Vote CatholicCrusader for President! No more free speech! No more freedom of religion! Do as I say or die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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