Paladin D Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Do our souls exist [b]before[/b] we arrive on earth? I have a feeling this is true, and it would make sense. There is even a scripture passage that refers to this, but don't know where it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 I want to say no...but I forgot where I read that...I will get back to you. Totus Tuus, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Nope, the soul is created at conception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 B-I-N-G-O. Are you neglecting your Aquinas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Nov 8 2004, 09:38 PM'] B-I-N-G-O. Are you neglecting your Aquinas? [/quote] By being on here, I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 9, 2004 Author Share Posted November 9, 2004 I don't know the verse, but isn't there a verse in the Scriptures that says something the along the lines of: [i]"I knew you, before you were born"[/i] ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 It's saying how God knows us before we're born. First of all, when we're conceived, we're not actually born yet, so this is a verse (from Jeremiah) proving the idea of a soul at conception. Also, God has known for all of eternity that you will exist, for He knows no time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggamafu Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Not necessarily. If heaven exists outside this universe's Space-Time, then once we depart this world and enter the next, we would - from this world's perspective - have been there "eternally"; hence, before the world began. I've actually been thinking about this for awhile, now... If you would like, I could post a little of what I've been writing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 [quote name='Ziggamafu' date='Nov 9 2004, 06:48 PM'] Not necessarily. If heaven exists outside this universe's Space-Time, then once we depart this world and enter the next, we would - from this world's perspective - have been there "eternally"; hence, before the world began. I've actually been thinking about this for awhile, now... If you would like, I could post a little of what I've been writing about it. [/quote] I've thought about this before, too, but comparing time to eternity is far beyond our understanding. I mean, if you know your math, then you know that when you deal with finite numbers, you deal with one set of rules, but when you deal with infinity, it's just screwy... We can exist in the sense of a ray, which is still infinite, but has a starting place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 The problem with us having eternal souls is that we wouldn't change, meaning we wouldn't have free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 9 2004, 07:00 PM'] The problem with us having eternal souls is that we wouldn't change, meaning we wouldn't have free will. [/quote] Yeah, the only way we could be eternal and have free will is if we were like a wave...changing and eternal, and not like a line, a point stretched over eternity... Either way, we don't have eternal souls and it's a mystery. We simply know it because it has to be and we must accept that we can't know why it is that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Nov 9 2004, 05:03 PM'] Yeah, the only way we could be eternal and have free will is if we were like a wave...changing and eternal, and not like a line, a point stretched over eternity... Either way, we don't have eternal souls and it's a mystery. We simply know it because it has to be and we must accept that we can't know why it is that way. [/quote] Actually, that's a poor translation, because eternal in that sense is actually something in time, or something that is aeveternal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 9 2004, 07:08 PM'] Actually, that's a poor translation, because eternal in that sense is actually something in time, or something that is aeveternal. [/quote] Yeah...through all time instead of outside of time... There is no way to express God's eternity in human terms. If you think the Theory of Relativity is tough, don't even think you can grasp this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 LoL, eternity is above time, aeveternity is in between eternity and time. Time to eternity is like a rainbow to a white light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 9 2004, 07:25 PM'] LoL, eternity is above time, aeveternity is in between eternity and time. Time to eternity is like a rainbow to a white light. [/quote] Yes, but I was saying that a lot of people think of eternity as being all of an uncreated time. We all know time is a part of creation, but some people don't think of it when they try to comprehend eternity, so they consider that eternity must be an infinite amount of time, where we know that eternity is actually outside of time completely, and therefore holds no amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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