More Politics....

[littleflower+JMJ]

voici rocks!!!

[Anna]

All over the news, "they're saying" Bush has a new plan...
Who is "they?"

Throughout the campaign, Bush's message was simple:
"We're going to stay the course and get the job done."

Notice: I do not put stock in media hype. -_-

[Iacobus]

[quote name='curtins' date='Nov 5 2004, 11:11 PM'] bush won!!!!!!!!!!!! yahoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well lemme ask you this- kerry sed "I have a plan" i think like 70 times in the 3rd debate- now just what was his plan????????????
Bush's plan- win the war on terror and bring to justice those who killed 3000 ppl on 911, lower taxes to increase bussiniess thus up the economy, have medicare perscription drug coverage by 2006, reduce frivilous lawsuits thus lowering health care costs, apointing judges that value life and marriage.
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Wow, that is hard to read. From the top shall we?

[quote]well lemme ask you this- kerry sed "I have a plan" i think like 70 times in the 3rd debate- now just what was his plan????????????[/quote]

What was his plan? I could ask by the same tokein what was Bush's plan, I didn't hear a lot of a real plan, no more than I heard from Kerry, during the debates. To understand either plan you would have had to listen to more than the debates, read more than just their transcripts.

Kerry's plan (economic) that he said in the debates was to repeal the tax cut for those earning over 200,000 dollars a year. He would expand or leave intact all tax cuts for those earning under 200,000 dollars a year.

Kerry's plan (Terror) was to stretngh our homeland by using the money from the reapealed tax cuts to pay for more inspections on ships entering US habors and he would secure the boraders.

Kerry's plan (Health) was to let you buy into the any plan that the Federal empolyees can buy into at the same rate. This [i]is not[/i] a nationalization of the health care system, you are not forced to buy into it and the goverment does not pay for it, you pay for it. He would also end those drug ads on TV and reimport durgs.

Frivilous lawsuits rasing health costs? CBO disagrees,

[quote]And on Jan. 8, 2004 , the Congressional Budget Office also said the Kessler-McClellan study wasn’t a valid basis for projecting total costs of defensive medicine.

[quote]When CBO applied the methods used in the study of Medicare patients hospitalized for two types of heart disease to a broader set of ailments, it found no evidence that restrictions on tort liability reduce medical spending. Moreover, using a different set of data, CBO found no statistically significant difference in per capita health care spending between states with and without limits on malpractice torts.
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Medicare? Pah...

[quote]The federally administered prescription drug discount cards were designed to fill the three-year gap, but as we've  reported , total enrollment has only reached 4.4 million -- over half of whom were automatically enrolled by their health maintenance organizations. The total is more than 3 million short of the number the administration predicted would be enrolled by the end of 2004.[/quote]

Have you read anything about the new Medicare drug program? It has confused more people than it has helped (note, only 2.2 million people *Bush expected 7-8 million to sign up* reged without being forced to). Seems like the reports that it is confusing are true.

Appointing pro life judges? Yeh, he plans on bumping pro[i]-CHOICE[/i] Justice O'Conner to be Chief Justice if the sitting one steps down. And Specter? Pro life?

So what has Bush done?

[quote]lowered taxes[/quote]

Thereby creating the biggest defiecit in History... from a projected surplus...

[quote]
brought to justice 75 % of al quieda in afganistan and brought down the sadam govt whcih had known ties to al quieda and possibly nuclear wepons or programs to develop nukes.[/quote]

Someone doesn't read the fine print. Bush has captured or killed 75% of the AQ members who were leaders [i]on Sept 11, 2001[/i]. AQ isn't a static group, just because you remove one leader doesn't mean that a new one won't take his place. That number is iffy.

He took down Saddam's govt, which may have had ties to AQ (did NOT on the 9/11 plot). We weren't sure, and know know, that there were no programs for nuclear weapons in Iraq, unlike North Korea which has added weapons (from Pakastan our "ally") or Iran which readily admits having or seeking weapons.

Edit: All quotes, save those from curtins, are from the website FactCheck.org

Edited November 8, 2004 by Iacobus

[crusader1234]

I am a Socialist, so don't get me wrong if I lived in the United States I wouldn't want Bush elected, but I really expect him to live up to his promise to open borders to Canadian beef and keep the border closed to Canadian medications.

[SirMyztiq]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Nov 7 2004, 11:39 PM'] Wow, that is hard to read. From the top shall we?



What was his plan? I could ask by the same tokein what was Bush's plan, I didn't hear a lot of a real plan, no more than I heard from Kerry, during the debates. To understand either plan you would have had to listen to more than the debates, read more than just their transcripts.

Kerry's plan (economic) that he said in the debates was to repeal the tax cut for those earning over 200,000 dollars a year. He would expand or leave intact all tax cuts for those earning under 200,000 dollars a year.

Kerry's plan (Terror) was to stretngh our homeland by using the money from the reapealed tax cuts to pay for more inspections on ships entering US habors and he would secure the boraders.

Kerry's plan (Health) was to let you buy into the any plan that the Federal empolyees can buy into at the same rate. This [i]is not[/i] a nationalization of the health care system, you are not forced to buy into it and the goverment does not pay for it, you pay for it. He would also end those drug ads on TV and reimport durgs.

Frivilous lawsuits rasing health costs? CBO disagrees,

[/QUOTE]

Medicare? Pah...



Have you read anything about the new Medicare drug program? It has confused more people than it has helped (note, only 2.2 million people *Bush expected 7-8 million to sign up* reged without being forced to). Seems like the reports that it is confusing are true.

Appointing pro life judges? Yeh, he plans on bumping pro[i]-CHOICE[/i] Justice O'Conner to be Chief Justice if the sitting one steps down. And Specter? Pro life?

So what has Bush done?



Thereby creating the biggest defiecit in History... from a projected surplus...



Someone doesn't read the fine print. Bush has captured or killed 75% of the AQ members who were leaders [i]on Sept 11, 2001[/i]. AQ isn't a static group, just because you remove one leader doesn't mean that a new one won't take his place. That number is iffy.

He took down Saddam's govt, which may have had ties to AQ (did NOT on the 9/11 plot). We weren't sure, and know know, that there were no programs for nuclear weapons in Iraq, unlike North Korea which has added weapons (from Pakastan our "ally") or Iran which readily admits having or seeking weapons.

Edit: All quotes, save those from curtins, are from the website FactCheck.org [/quote]
^^^

Yup.

That and Bush will probably lead this country into more chaos.

Bin Laden is still out and alive.

North Korea and Iran are still very threatening.

The only difference that I could expect during this four years in hell is probably that those threats would grow even larger.

[God Conquers]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Nov 7 2004, 11:53 PM'] I am a Socialist, so don't get me wrong if I lived in the United States I wouldn't want Bush elected, but I really expect him to live up to his promise to open borders to Canadian beef and keep the border closed to Canadian medications. [/quote]
Ya, as long as our government starts smartening up.

It's a fact that Bush is beter for us in terms of trade, economics and security.

We need to live up to our side of the deal, and our cabinet ministers need to stop making asinine anti-american statements.

Caroline Parish should be kicked out of caucus especially.

[Iacobus]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Nov 8 2004, 02:16 PM'] It's a fact that Bush is beter for us in terms of trade, economics and security. [/quote]
He is going to open to your beef? I thought after the Mad Cow scare last Dec it was basicly done for.

[God Conquers]

He's more likely to do it than Kerry....

Also, he's likely to go end the tarriffs on softwood lumber as well.

[dUSt]

Kerry lied.

[Ash Wednesday]

Bush's term, for better or worse, will continue to be very Reaganesque.

With that being said, the Democratic party needs to pull their heads out of their butts and lose the NYC-Beltway-Hollywood elitism. The Democrats are no longer the party of the underdog and cater too much to the fringe left. If they stop ostracising the pro-life/pro-family democrats, the party might have a chance. I would vote pro-life Democrat in a heartbeat, and I think middle America would, too.

The reason why the Republicans are not floundering is because the party doesn't ostracise those that don't entirely fit their "agenda" like the Democrats do. Most of the GOP's biggest stars are pro-choice. (Of course I find pro-choice Republicanism to be even more repulsive than pro-choice Dems...)

SPECTER smells of elderberries! SPECTER smells of elderberries! SPECTER smells of elderberries! SPECTER smells of elderberries!

Back to your regularly scheduled debating.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:07 AM'] Bush's term, for better or worse, will continue to be very Reaganesque.

[/quote]
Bush is no Reagan. Reagan kept us out of major wars.
Reagan helped restore the greatness of America.

But still, I'm hardly shedding any tears that that pro-abortion-no-exceptions, ultra-lefty Massachussetts liberal isn't in the white house. I cannot believe the painful twisting of logic that the libs on this site go through to somehow say that Kerry was somehow the more pro-life Catholic candidate.

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:14 AM'] Bush is no Reagan.  Reagan kept us out of major wars.
Reagan helped restore the greatness of America.
[/quote]
We weren't attacked on our own soil when Reagan was president, either.

[Socrates]

I'm all for attacking Afganistan (since they harbored Osama & co.)!
Bush made the right move there (if we could just catch that little bastard! [bin Laden])

I'm not convinced invading Iraq was necessary, or well-advised.

Edited November 9, 2004 by Socrates

[MC Just]

oh yeah and things would have been better with Kerry??? Bush is doing a great Job, he has from the beginning. Do you think it's easy being President of this country?

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 9 2004, 12:49 PM'] I'm all for attacking Afganistan (since they harbored Osama & co.)!
Bush made the right move there (if we could just catch that little bastard! [bin Laden])

I'm not convinced invading Iraq was necessary, or well-advised. [/quote]
I agree with you on that, actually.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself to anyone else out there. I really think that Iraq started a lot like Vietnam -- as a result of paranoia and flimsy suspicion (WMD = Gulf of Tonkin). I actually don't fault Bush alone for that one. But one advantage we do have with Iraq now is the terrain is not as problematic as it was in Vietnam. I think the matter will eventually be resolved, at least I hope so. I certainly am not complaining that Hussein is outta there.


I think it's silly how much people blame everything exclusively on Bush.

Bin Laden hating us is Bush's fault!
The economy was Bush's fault!
September 11th was Bush's fault!
The flu vaccine shortage was Bush's fault!
Getting the flu itself is Bush's fault!
Butterfly ballots are Bush's fault!
Diebold voting is Bush's fault!
My bag getting searched at the airport and my broken bottle of vodka resulting is Bush's fault!
The hurricanes were Bush's fault! (Karl Rove had them strategically sent to Florida.)
Hemorrhoids are Bush's fault!
Mount St. Helens spouting lava is Bush's fault!
My back spasms are Bush's fault!
Arafat's eventual death is Bush's fault!