crusader1234 Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I'd be willing to do something about Catholic Social Teaching - especially regarding economics and consumer awareness. I noticed that seemed to be missing from your list and its [i]very[/i] important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 bump...............so u all get learned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 (edited) This will be a tremendous way for me to learn more about my faith, especially since I'm a convert. Edited November 5, 2004 by T-Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Nov 4 2004, 11:07 PM'] I'd be willing to do something about Catholic Social Teaching - especially regarding economics and consumer awareness. I noticed that seemed to be missing from your list and its [i]very[/i] important. [/quote] 1. I don't see how that's relevant to apologetics. 2. I don't think it's wise to place the teaching of specific economic plans in these classes, since all economic plans, except those reserved solely for the insane, are geared toward a responsible use of money, i.e. building job security, spending for the public interest, and helping the poor. I don't like liberal economics, but I'll admit that these are the aims of those who make them, just as I would hope that those who don't like conservative economics would at least admit to the good intent of those who make them. Economics are not a one-size-fits-all package, but depends largely on social trends which fluctuate frequently and no current economic plan even comes close to perfect. Therefore, unless you can teach the ideals behind Church-friendly economics (which is what the Church speaks on) and not on applied economics (which is what the Church does not really address, unless it is overwhelmingly obvious that a particular system does not attempt to fulfill those ideals) then I don't see how economics can be fit into the program. I would neither allow you or Jacob (admittedly economically liberal) or Ironmonk and Aluigi (admittedly economically conservative) to teach such a class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 (edited) woh, we found raphael's touchy-spot! just kiddin bro Edited November 5, 2004 by phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Nov 5 2004, 11:36 AM'] woh, we found raphael's touchy-spot! just kiddin bro [/quote] Actually, it is a touchy spot. Economics speak to the wallet, which generally interests everyone. There are no perfect economic plans and each have their strengths and weaknesses and economic issues tend to be very divisive, which is not a good thing for the academy. Everything the Church teaches is already agreed by all camps and that is the spirit behind ethical economics...the method is not defined and most likely never will be, as it needs to be adjustable with a myriad of different situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Raphael' date='Nov 5 2004, 07:19 AM'] 1. I don't see how that's relevant to apologetics. [/quote] I think it is relevant because a lot of people don't know about it. Granted, in apologetics against attacks it rarly comes up, however, when speaking to other Catholics it is important because it is commonly skipped over. If I were to teach it, all I would say is read "Gaudium et Spes." And just a note, some Christian group is getting all mad about the election of Bush saying we created "moral gap" in our thought. We only think about abortion and/or gay marriage and nothing else in the matters of Faith and Morals. So, knowing something, either from the EWTN thing on Vatican II, or the new "book" on social justice, or from Gaudium et Spes would be useful in combating that attack. Edited November 5, 2004 by Iacobus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Sum In Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted November 6, 2004 Author Share Posted November 6, 2004 if you responded "yes, i can make that commitment" make sure that you post in this thread so that i know who you are. also note that the Academy and the Crusade are a package deal. if you want to be a crusader, you have to join at least one class in the Academy. if you want to learn more in the Academy, you have to join the Crusade. i know, i'm mean, what can i say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 im in.... i posted on the apo board too.... so include me pwease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 im already part of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 If I can get to the Crusade through the Academy, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 Raph, a few things. I think that you, as a more right wing person, like to ignore Catholic social teaching because it doens't coincide with your own opinions regarding economics. Economic teaching isn't as 'up for debate' as people like to think - the church has TONS of information on it and there are tons of textbooks which have been given Imprimatur or Nihil Obstat. Your post, by the way, said that it was looking for stuff about Catholic ethics. How we spend our money and how we act towards issues such as the environment or child labour is definately a matter of faith and ethics. However, as this is 'your thing' then thats fine if you don't want to include it, even if it does show a general lack of respect you have for Church teachings on economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted November 6, 2004 Author Share Posted November 6, 2004 dont worry, be happy anyone else still need to post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 I posted, but didn't really express intrest, it was more to back up Rich, but I mean to express intrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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