The Democrats Are confused

[Guest Aluigi]

because the country is morally conservative!

wooo!!! score one for authentic morality!

to all dems that relunctantly voted bush: notice how all your dems now are in a daze and requestioning these social issues... you may have helped teach the dem party how it should turn around

[Guest Aluigi]

GF especially I'm thinking of to reaffirm that that last minute decision he made was the right one, that loss could prove to be important for the democratic party and maybe they'll reevaluate moral issues!

[Good Friday]

[quote name='Aluigi']GF especially I'm thinking of to reaffirm that that last minute decision he made was the right one, that loss could prove to be important for the democratic party and maybe they'll reevaluate moral issues![/quote]
I agree, I think this is ultimately a good thing. It's certainly forced the hand of the party: move back to the middle, or face extinction. They're already making moves in this direction, with the possibility of electing Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) to be Senate minority leader in place of the now-defeated Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD). Sen. Reid is a Democratic moderate, and he's also pro-life. I think he's going to run uncontested, but even if he is contested I believe that he will be elected, because this is the image that the party knows it must now project.

Sen. Reid's election to the minority leadership would ensure that Republicans will be able to appoint pro-life judges and justices to the federal courts and the Supreme Court, and it will also ensure that at least some Democrats will vote with Republicans in pro-life legislation -- possibly helping parental notification laws and such to finally pass in the Senate.

I've written an article, perhaps to be published on Catholic Exchange, about what the Democratic Party must do in order to avoid extinction. If it's not published on Catholic Exchange, I may try to get other websites and/or periodicals to publish it, or I may just post it on my weblog. I'll post the link here when it's published.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Nov 4 2004, 01:09 AM'] [quote name='Aluigi']GF especially I'm thinking of to reaffirm that that last minute decision he made was the right one, that loss could prove to be important for the democratic party and maybe they'll reevaluate moral issues![/quote]
I agree, I think this is ultimately a good thing. It's certainly forced the hand of the party: move back to the middle, or face extinction. They're already making moves in this direction, with the possibility of electing Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) to be Senate minority leader in place of the now-defeated Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD). Sen. Reid is a Democratic moderate, and he's also pro-life. I think he's going to run uncontested, but even if he is contested I believe that he will be elected, because this is the image that the party knows it must now project.

Sen. Reid's election to the minority leadership would ensure that Republicans will be able to appoint pro-life judges and justices to the federal courts and the Supreme Court, and it will also ensure that at least some Democrats will vote with Republicans in pro-life legislation -- possibly helping parental notification laws and such to finally pass in the Senate.

I've written an article, perhaps to be published on Catholic Exchange, about what the Democratic Party must do in order to avoid extinction. If it's not published on Catholic Exchange, I may try to get other websites and/or periodicals to publish it, or I may just post it on my weblog. I'll post the link here when it's published. [/quote]
Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, Patron of the USA, pray for us!!!

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Nov 4 2004, 02:09 AM'] [quote name='Aluigi']GF especially I'm thinking of to reaffirm that that last minute decision he made was the right one, that loss could prove to be important for the democratic party and maybe they'll reevaluate moral issues![/quote]
I agree, I think this is ultimately a good thing. It's certainly forced the hand of the party: move back to the middle, or face extinction. They're already making moves in this direction, with the possibility of electing Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) to be Senate minority leader in place of the now-defeated Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD). Sen. Reid is a Democratic moderate, and he's also pro-life. I think he's going to run uncontested, but even if he is contested I believe that he will be elected, because this is the image that the party knows it must now project.

Sen. Reid's election to the minority leadership would ensure that Republicans will be able to appoint pro-life judges and justices to the federal courts and the Supreme Court, and it will also ensure that at least some Democrats will vote with Republicans in pro-life legislation -- possibly helping parental notification laws and such to finally pass in the Senate.

I've written an article, perhaps to be published on Catholic Exchange, about what the Democratic Party must do in order to avoid extinction. If it's not published on Catholic Exchange, I may try to get other websites and/or periodicals to publish it, or I may just post it on my weblog. I'll post the link here when it's published. [/quote]
Post it here as well.

[dUSt]

This Harry Reid guy seems like a guy I might consider voting for if he ever ran for president.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Nov 4 2004, 11:06 AM'] This Harry Reid guy seems like a guy I might consider voting for if he ever ran for president. [/quote]
Depends who he is running against and how willing he is to actually fight his own party on these issues. It's one thing to be vote for pro-life bills and whatnot, but something entirely different to be able to veto bills sent by your party or force through judicial nominations against the will of your party. He would have to possess much intestinal fortitude.

[Balthazor]

Ok I ripped on Bush enough, now it is time to critique the other side Gotta be fair
I agree that the Democrats are confused.....
it is like they have absolutely no idea what their party stands for, they have no platform and no unity within their party.
They ran a guy that people thought was really liberal....ha ha ha ha ha .....liberal! now Feingold, he's liberal, Kerry he is just a wanna be liberal. Also who the heck is gonna vote for someone whose church doesn't even support him? I mean I don't like Bush, but Kerry was really hard to like, especially when he totes himself as a liberal, abortion supporting, Catholic. He was a walking, talking oxymoron!
Democrats have also gotta learn something very important: don't run stiff unlikable guys for president....it just doesn't work. Didn't work with Gore, ain't gonna work now!

Well that is all the criticism I can dish out for this Post,

God bless you all

Balthazor

[shelly_freak]

[quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 4 2004, 10:51 AM'] ... but Kerry was really hard to like, especially when he totes himself as a liberal, abortion supporting, Catholic. He was a walking, talking oxymoron! [/quote]
I guess I'm a "walking, talking oxymoron" myself then

[azaelia]

[quote name='shelly_freak' date='Nov 4 2004, 12:15 PM'] I guess I'm a "walking, talking oxymoron" myself then [/quote]
Do you support abortion?

[shelly_freak]

[quote name='azaelia' date='Nov 4 2004, 11:19 AM'] Do you support abortion? [/quote]
Well I don't see it as a black and white issue. Yes I believe it is very wrong and something needs to be done about it. The way I see it we can't just illegalize it, we need to do more than just say no we won't do it for you. If we do that then we have the problem of women doing it themselves and hurting the baby AND themsleves. What we need is some better critical thinking skills. We need to not just think how we can stop it but also how we can PREVENT it. As with many other problems in this country there is a better way of dealing with it than illegalizing it.

Probably no one will understand my views here because for the majority you are conservatives (I'm not saying this negativly) and I have a very liberal mind. If you want I can pull out my issues in human services book and start quoting.

[azaelia]

[quote name='shelly_freak' date='Nov 4 2004, 12:25 PM'] Well I don't see it as a black and white issue. Yes I believe it is very wrong and something needs to be done about it. The way I see it we can't just illegalize it, we need to do more than just say no we won't do it for you. If we do that then we have the problem of women doing it themselves and hurting the baby AND themsleves. What we need is some better critical thinking skills. We need to not just think how we can stop it but also how we can PREVENT it. As with many other problems in this country there is a better way of dealing with it than illegalizing it.

Probably no one will understand my views here because for the majority you are conservatives (I'm not saying this negativly) and I have a very liberal mind. If you want I can pull out my issues in human services book and start quoting. [/quote]
Well, I agree with you there. There are programs and centers for pregnant women, but they aren't given much attention because women are generally given abortion as their first or only option. Besides, we've got to start somewhere. Overturning Roe v. Wade is a big step that needs to be taken before anything else can be done.

And considering you don't support abortion on demand, I don't see how you could be classified as a "walking, talking oxymoron"

[shelly_freak]

See I don't agree with over running Roe vs Wade. This country was set up as a secular country, otherwise we would still be connected to England. Yes we do need morality in our government but that does not mean we need to over run Roe vs Wade.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='shelly_freak' date='Nov 4 2004, 01:25 PM'] Well I don't see it as a black and white issue. Yes I believe it is very wrong and something needs to be done about it. The way I see it we can't just illegalize it, we need to do more than just say no we won't do it for you. If we do that then we have the problem of women doing it themselves and hurting the baby AND themsleves. What we need is some better critical thinking skills. We need to not just think how we can stop it but also how we can PREVENT it. As with many other problems in this country there is a better way of dealing with it than illegalizing it.

Probably no one will understand my views here because for the majority you are conservatives (I'm not saying this negativly) and I have a very liberal mind. If you want I can pull out my issues in human services book and start quoting. [/quote]
So you are worried women will hurt themselves and thats unacceptable, so lets leave a law in place that they can stay safe and simply have their children chopped up instead.

Not to mention the effects the womans body suffers when her child is ripped out of her.

[azaelia]

[quote name='shelly_freak' date='Nov 4 2004, 12:36 PM'] See I don't agree with over running Roe vs Wade. This country was set up as a secular country, otherwise we would still be connected to England. Yes we do need morality in our government but that does not mean we need to over run Roe vs Wade. [/quote]
It was set up by Protestants...a Nation under God. Secular? Not exactly. Besides, Roe v. Wade is being fought by Roe herself, who recognizes it as a lie and a mistake.