curtins Posted November 4, 2004 Author Share Posted November 4, 2004 alright man thanks im gonna still pray about it but im leanin towards buyin it i actually posted this on another site and got a response like this "microsoft still recieves billions of dollars weather you chose to buy it or not. what you need to do is see if you see it as right or wrong" so yeah im leanin to buyin it but ill still pray about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Consider this There are two ways to cooperate with evil: Formal and Material [b]Formal Cooperation.[/b] Formal cooperation occurs when a person or organization freely participates in the action(s) of a principal agent, or shares in the agent’s intention, either for its own sake or as a means to some other goal. Implicit formal cooperation occurs when, even though the cooperator denies intending the object of the principal agent, the cooperating person or organization participates in the action directly and in such a way that the it could not be done without this participation. Formal cooperation in intrinsically evil actions, either explicitly or implicitly, is morally illicit. [i]For you to say, “O man, MS supports Abortion so I will support MS,” would be formal cooperation. [/i] That would for sure be a sin [b]Immediate Material Cooperation.[/b] Immediate material cooperation occurs when the cooperator participates in circumstances that are essential to the commission of an act, such that the act could not occur without this participation. Immediate material cooperation in intrinsically evil actions is morally illicit. There has been in the tradition a debate about the permissibility of immediate cooperation in immoral acts under "duress." When individuals are forced under duress (e.g., at gunpoint) to cooperate in the intrinsically evil action of another, they act with diminished freedom. Following Church teaching, the matter of their action remains objectively evil, but they do not intend this object with true freedom. In such cases, the matter remains objectively evil as such, but the subjective culpability of the cooperator is diminished. Very recently, the Vatican has rejected the arguments of those who would apply this concept of duress to Catholic organizations as a way to justify their immediate material involvement in certain objectionable actions. [i]Note here, the word essential…. [/i] [b]Mediate Material Cooperation.[/b] Mediate material cooperation occurs when the cooperator participates in circumstances that are not essential to the commission of an action, such that the action could occur even without this cooperation. Mediate material cooperation in an immoral act might be justifiable under three basic conditions: a. If there is a proportionately serious reason for the cooperation (i.e., for the sake of protecting an important good or for avoiding a worse harm); the graver the evil the more serious a reason required for the cooperation; b. The importance of the reason for cooperation must be proportionate to the causal proximity of the cooperator’s action to the action of the principal agent (the distinction between proximate and remote); c. The danger of scandal (i.e., leading others into doing evil, leading others into error, or spreading confusion) must be avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Buy the x-box . . . pray for the unborn when you play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyyoimjohnny Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Buy it off ebay, like was said. It may not have the warantee, but does it really matter that much? Save a baby, buy on Ebay. I think Ebay has a new slogan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightoftheRosary Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 YOu know ebay may be cool and whatever but make sure it's in good condition, don't get screwed out of a better deal than buying it new! Peace and blessings -KOTR- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 [quote name='curtins' date='Nov 3 2004, 09:47 PM'] idk i think shadow is having a bad day- lets pray for him yall [/quote] yes im sorry fot that all (except i do not apologize to Ironmonk for personal reasons) but i am having a bad day, and my life isnt going well. at all. sorry curtins and everybody i offended anywho...i would just like to say that i think if you buy xbox just to enjoy the art of gaming, then that would not be a sin. just my thoughts. l8r dudes, SHADOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 i think theoketos has the right of it... shadow, i hope your day goes better...prayers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I just went through this same conundrum when Fable came out. I bought the X-Box and the game for $200. I decided to raise the amount of money I give to the Church per month...it's gonna take me a while cause my income is low, but I really felt like I needed to offset that material purchase with something. So now I give more money than I used to. You could try that as well, but I don't think it is the complete solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted November 4, 2004 Author Share Posted November 4, 2004 look guys- i just checked on half.com - the shipping is like 60 bucks and it would cost less for me to buy it new at the store- i dont think its going to affect microsoft weather i buy it and money goes to them or not- they get billions so i think im gonna buy it along with halo 2 and xbox live starter kit from eb games at my local mall. i dont think im commiting any thing wrong here. Im buying to enjoy the game not to support abortion. WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IS START SOMETHING. ITS GOING TO BE BIG AND IM GONNA NEED ALL UR PPL'S HELP- ITS HAS TO DO WITH ANTI ABORTION IM GOING TO POST DETAILS THIS WEEKEND God bless you all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 right on bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 bumpity bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 whachoo gonna do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 im gonna buy it- check out the TLC thread to see how we can REALLY try and stop abortion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Well I made brownies, and I only put a little bit of poo in them, does any want some? I mean it really not affect you all that much, I mean they are really really really big brownies, and the mushy mud pie in there is so little compared to the amount brownies I made. :barf: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroNova No Limit Soldier Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 good point Theo a little harsh though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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