Who is a Believer?

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='budge']I dont believe in hardcore OSAS so this would depend on their relationship to God, perserverance etc).[/quote]
Does this mean that you believe in a "mild" version of OSAS or that you don't believe in OSAS?

[quote name='budge']My worry for Catholics is that they are taught to look to the church to save them and taught to receive Jesus in the sacraments rather then being taught that one needs to be saved and born again of the spirit.[/quote]

Let's see. Receiving Jesus in the sacraments? Hmmm...

As Divine Providence would have it, I was just listening to the words of [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians11.htm#v23"]St. Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians[/url](I'm lucky enough to have audio CDs of the NT):
[quote name='1 Cor 11:23-29']For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread, and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me."

In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."

For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.  Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.  A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup.  For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.[/quote]

And this week (more providence), my Bible study is on [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john6.htm#v48"]St. John's Gospel, chapter 6[/url]:

[quote name='John 6:48-58']"I am the bread of life.  Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.  I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."

The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?"

Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.  Whoever eats  my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.  For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.  Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.  Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.  This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever."[/quote]

My worry for non-Catholics is that they are taught that "being saved" is a single event and not a life-long journey, rather than being taught that they can receive Jesus and be nourished by the grace-giving sacraments that He gave His Church.

God Bless!

[D0RK4JP2]

Just looking at the forum topic; it says 'who's a believer'

...who governs what 'belief' the 'believer' must have to even be a 'believer'?

JMJ

[mulls]

[quote name='D0RK4JP2' date='Nov 6 2004, 02:47 AM'] Just looking at the forum topic; it says 'who's a believer'

...who governs what 'belief' the 'believer' must have to even be a 'believer'?

JMJ [/quote]
God.


trick question?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' date='Nov 6 2004, 12:41 AM'] Many "protestants" or Christians disagree with Catholic doctrines. I am an ex-Catholic. I do believe there are Catholics who are indeed SAVED as it were, which may surprise some here since I do moderate a board where we discuss Catholic issues and doctrines. If a Catholic has saving faith in Jesus Christ, they will be saved like any other Christian--(I dont believe in hardcore OSAS so this would depend on their relationship to God, perserverance etc) My worry for Catholics is that they are taught to look to the church to save them and taught to receive Jesus in the sacraments rather then being taught that one needs to be saved and born again of the spirit. [/quote]
How can you moderate a board and discuss Catholicism when you don't even know Catholicism [ as evidenced by your basic misunderstandings of what we actually believe]?

[Lavender]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Nov 6 2004, 08:35 AM'] How can you moderate a board and discuss Catholicism when you don't even know Catholicism [ as evidenced by your basic misunderstandings of what we actually believe]? [/quote]
Ditto. All Catholic-dissers must atleast know what they're talking about before I will acknowledge them in an actual debate. Sorry if that offends anyone, but I put up with a lot of carp for being Catholic. :irate: Usually from my very close friends, which hurts twice as much.

[Lavender]

*carp