Who is a Believer?

[Paladin D]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Nov 3 2004, 04:55 PM'] I think that most of the people in heaven are those that lived a life of sainthood without anybody else knowing.

It's called humility. I need more of it. [/quote]
I agree that we should not "show off" that we're devout Catholics, but isn't it a good thing to be an example of a devout Catholic in public?

[mulls]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Nov 3 2004, 05:34 PM'] What's that? (Seriously) [/quote]
matthew 6:1-4

[Paladin D]

[quote name='mulls' date='Nov 3 2004, 06:16 PM'] matthew 6:1-4 [/quote]
Thanks.

[the lumberjack]

I would say yes, it is good to show in public that you are a believer and follower of Christ...but remember what Christ said.

Matthew 6:16 "Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;


18 [b]That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.[/b]


thats my Christian 2¢.

[mulls]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Nov 3 2004, 04:55 PM'] I think that most of the people in heaven are those that lived a life of sainthood without anybody else knowing.

It's called humility. I need more of it. [/quote]

if nobody else ever knows, how is the great commission fulfilled?


humility is key. but people notice. our lights definately shine when we're humble.


i need more of it too.

[mulls]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Nov 3 2004, 06:17 PM'] I would say yes, it is good to show in public that you are a believer and follower of Christ...but remember what Christ said.

Matthew 6:16 "Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;


18 [b]That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.[/b]


thats my Christian 2¢. [/quote]
exactly dog.

matthew 6:1

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people [b]in order to be seen by them[/b], for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven."

but instead...

matthew 5:16

"In the same way, let your light shine before others, [b]so that they may see your good works and give glory to the Father who is in heaven[/b]."

[mulls]

matthew is my favorite book of the moment.

[Catalyst]

I'm a Christian and whats separates my beliefs from yours is that the catholics worship deal people, Ie..Mary and the saints..hailing them. There is no mediator between God and man but Yeshua.
If HE didn't do what He did on the cross Mary would have died in sin...why pray to God to God...the trinity which is one in the same...

[Catalyst]

religion and the absence of truth are strong on this site...

[Dave]

[quote name='Catalyst' date='Nov 3 2004, 08:37 PM'] I'm a Christian and whats separates my beliefs from yours is that the catholics worship deal people, Ie..Mary and the saints..hailing them. There is no mediator between God and man but Yeshua.
If HE didn't do what He did on the cross Mary would have died in sin...why pray to God to God...the trinity which is one in the same... [/quote]
Catholics do not worship anyone but God. We honor Mary and the other saints, but our honoring of them doesn't equate to worshiping them. You also forget that the dead who are in heaven are alive in Christ.

We Catholics also believe that Jesus is the one mediator. That we honor Mary and the saints doesn't take away from that.

[D0RK4JP2]

[quote name='Dave' date='Nov 4 2004, 12:19 PM'] Catholics do not worship anyone but God. We honor Mary and the other saints, but our honoring of them doesn't equate to worshiping them. You also forget that the dead who are in heaven are alive in Christ.

We Catholics also believe that Jesus is the one mediator. That we honor Mary and the saints doesn't take away from that. [/quote]
Gday,

I like your post. clear and straight to the point .

A reason why Catholicism is often finger-pointed for worshipping Mary, statues and saints, is because our Church has the fulness of revelation necessary for salvation on earth, our mode of worship is fulfilled and possible to reach a higher level. Our reverence of Mary and saints increase our love and Worship of God because we acknowledge the what his amazing grace can do to anyone. Protestants undermine their own worship by accusing ours of idolatry because, those that believe we are idolaters, are yet to believe that it is possible to revere someone's holiness as a worship of God, not worship somone's holiness because we think they are like God.

JMJ.

[Catalyst]

Its is good only to revere God, He is the only one worth of reverence. You put mary in your prayers, say things like shes full of grace...Jesus' grace is His willingness to work in our lives even tho none of deserve it. Does Mary do things for you?

You think praying for a person while theri dead is gonna help them? theyve made their choices in life, their test is over. I place the word made flesh in High regards..no man or woman...making statues of them and filling your churches with them...having jesus stuck on that cross when He's not on it...stop misleading people and misrepresnting the Lord who died for your sins...everyone put him up there on the cross and you waste your time with dead people....blunt but true...

Edited November 4, 2004 by Catalyst

[Balthazor]

Welcome Catalyst!

Mary is full of grace.....and grace comes from God, truly anyone who was to bear the only son of God would have to be full of grace wouldn;t she?

We are Catholic true, and we remember Christ's great sacrifice on the cross....but we are people of the resurection, not people of death I think you misunderstand our faith.

Please stick around and learn, you are welcome to ask any questions you may have and I am sure someone around here will have an informed answer.

May God bless and keep you,

Balthazor

[D0RK4JP2]

Gday Catalyst and peace be with you,

We can't convert m8, only the Holy Spirit can. I don't want to argue with you, i just want to tell the truth.

You should read a bit of the early Church fathers if you have trouble believing us in the 21st Century. Have a read of St Ignatius of Lloyla.

I guess this type of facet will keep on coming up in this forum; Catholics and non-Catholics duffing it out.

I would ask you Catalyst do you want to convert me or any Catholic to your belief or do you want to disprove the Catholic Church?

I assure you, Mary is not God - if she were then, well, as St Thomas Aquinas puts it through there logically couldn't be a God, because God is logical in a triun form. And i assure you, i do not pray TO statues. It's rather evident to me that whenever i look at a picture of someone i love, it increases that love i have for them, not for the statue lol.

Wouldn't you think revering God is just the beginning? reverence is what one gives to our mother and father, for example, when they ask for something done around the house. We give them reverence because of their position and authority. Their position and authority was given to them by God. The same with Mary man . She's the mother of God - and God gave her that position - so her position deserves reference; plain and simple.

Please read what i write and reply to it. I get really upset when discussions like this happen and one half doesn't acknowledge what the others says. Its untactful, ya know?

JMJ.

Edited November 4, 2004 by D0RK4JP2

[Balthazor]

hey dork!!
I like your accent.
Are you from down under?
I'm from "up nort"
Balthazor