One Church

[Dave]

,Oct 7 2003, 08:42 PM] And that church that God used Peter to establish 2000 years ago is now made up of many believers from many different backgrounds in many different denomenations.

What's your point?

Nope, sorry. That Church that God used Peter to establish 2000 years ago is made up of believers from many different backgrounds who, at the same time, are CATHOLIC and believe the EXACT SAME TEACHINGS -- all of them -- on faith and morals that come from God. Those from other denominations, unfortunately, aren't full members of that Church, as they reject the authority of Peter's successor as well as various teachings coming from God.

[littleflower+JMJ]

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[foundsheep]

,Oct 7 2003, 08:42 PM]

And that church that God used Peter to establish 2000 years ago is now made up of many believers from many different backgrounds in many different denomenations.

What's your point?

He didnt create "denomenations" He created one faith.

ephesians 4: 1-6

1 I, then, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to live in a manner worthy of the call you have received,

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with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another through love,

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striving to preserve the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace:

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2 one body and one Spirit, as you were also called to the one hope of your call;

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one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

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one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

[cmotherofpirl]

,Oct 7 2003, 10:42 PM] [

And that church that God used Peter to establish 2000 years ago is now made up of many believers from many different backgrounds in many different denomenations.

What's your point?

If that were true jas they all protestants would believe the same thing.

[Anna]

Agree.

Jesus prayed that we would all be one.

But we are not one. The many denominations all calling themselves Christians are very divided. They don't share one common Faith.

Many accept and approve all sorts of sins that would not have been acceptable in the time of Our Lord.

[TempleofVesarius]

i dont think anyone has come up with a valid counter arguement

I challenge anyone to prove these points, using scritpural reference, or any other VALID source

1. Christ didnt found HIS church on Peter.

2. Christ didnt found any church, we founded churches on Him.

3. The Catholic church is NOT the church that Christ founded.

bring it on

glad to see someone rose to the occasion

Edited October 12, 2003 by TempleofVesarius

[Anna]

Jesus didn't establish denominations.....in fact denominations aren't even in the Bible!

Only the Church, under the leadership of Peter, with Paul and the Apostles serving as bishops, baptizing entire households (little ones included!), celebrating the Eucharist (Breaking of the Bread), forgiving men's sins, etc. is accounted in the Bible. All preached the same Truths, to different peoples in different geographic areas...One Faith, One Lord, One Baptism.

Denominations are inventions of men, beginning with Martin Luther, etc.

Denominations preach the doctrines of men, contrary to the Scriptures, such as interpretting Scripture on your own understanding...(2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.)

Pax Christi. <><

[TempleofVesarius]

I want a protestant answer...

you want to "save souls"

prove me wrong...im never one to ignore the facts if someone puts them in front of me

[Anna]

The fact is, Temple, that many non-Catholic Christians either don't have the facts, or their facts just can't compare to those of the Catholic Church. Their history can only be traced back sometimes 20 - 100 years. Before that, these denominations didn't exist. They are the inventions of men. And their doctrines are the inventions of men interpreting the Scriptures for themselves, which even the Scriptures themselves warn not to do...

They claim that the Holy Spirit fills their church, but then they leave that church for one that is more Spirit-filled...Their "spirit meter" by which they measure the fullness of God's Holy Spirit is, apparently, how "high" they feel when they're at the church service, how good the music is, how many people are "manifesting" gifts of the Holy Spirit.

This, I believe, is why Trooper thinks our facts and history are "tricky," because he doesn't want to have to admit that his denomination has little or no history to prove itself authentic. History doesn't lie. There's nothing "tricky" about facts and history. They help prove a point, and help reasoning humans reach certain conclusions.

The Bible tells the story, the New Testament tells of the Early Church, the history of that Church follows with the writings of the Early Church Fathers, and the Truth of the matter is that there is still standing today, One Single Church which was founded by Christ.

All others are breakaways from the original Catholic Church, founded by none other than Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Pax Christi. <><

[TempleofVesarius]

24 hours passes....still no one even attempts....

[TempleofVesarius]

its nice to know your faith cant be proved wrong :D B)

[Katholikos]

Just for the record, TOV, here's what St. John the Apostle taught his student, Ignatius of Antioch, and Ignatius in turn wrote to the Church at Smyrna:

"He [Christ] raised a banner for all times for His saints and faithful followers, whether among the Jews or the Gentiles, that they might be united in a single body, that is, His Church."

Your ma and pa should be right proud of you -- you do good apologetics work, extremely good for one so young! Or even for an old guy! Keep on keeping on . . .