Paladin D Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Nov 2 2004, 01:04 AM'] Oh man my back hurts just thinking about how I'm supposed to have full intercourse, hanging from a chandalier, while holding my wife up at the same time. Man I need a beer... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='Birgitta Noel' date='Nov 1 2004, 11:56 PM'] I'd like some explicit evidence to support the claim that the post-coital masturbation by women is sanctioned by the Vatican. Without it we are walking a fine line and possibly leading women into grave sin not to mention promoting error. [/quote] Don't ask me. I was shown an article in the NFP phorum that addressed this and it even quoted the pope and Christopher West... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemnantRules Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Crusader and about the stalking and g/f thing as you know Jen and I used to be "fiances" but we both have gone our parted ways...will always love her very much ! But in real life i do not have a g/f and i don't stalk anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='RemnantRules' date='Nov 2 2004, 01:09 AM'] ...and i don't stalk anyone [/quote] Yeah! :angry: That's [b]my[/b] job!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crusader1234 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Oi Moishe... At least Pharzarn has given up on Vera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='RemnantRules' date='Nov 2 2004, 01:13 AM'] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarf Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 In the middle ages there was a lingering superstition that conception could only happen if both persons experienced an orgasm, hence the idea that there will be something wrong with the kid if the woman doesn't get off. The Church upheld that belief for a long time, I believe. That might have something to do with post-coital masturbation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DancesforLove Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Thats an...interesting article lol. I have a pickle for ya, it's something I tried to understand but never could. Ok, the Chruch says that using forms of contraceptives is a sin and that having pre-marital sex is a sin. So here is the confusing part. For guys being abstinent before marriage wouldn't matter but for girls it kinda does. Girls produce one egg every month and at a certain point in there life they stop producing eggs alltogether and can no longer have children. Guys are not suppossed to um.....have other forms of sex (ya'll know what I mean) because it wastes sperm. If you go by that, wouldn't being abstinent for a girl be a sin because every month you do not have sex thats one less chance for a baby to form? Just something I thought of and wondered what part I'm missing that explains it. (FYI I am NOT using that as any type of excuse lol, it was just a thought I had that made me wonder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='DancesforLove' date='Nov 2 2004, 02:02 AM'] Thats an...interesting article lol. I have a pickle for ya, it's something I tried to understand but never could. Ok, the Chruch says that using forms of contraceptives is a sin and that having pre-marital sex is a sin. So here is the confusing part. For guys being abstinent before marriage wouldn't matter but for girls it kinda does. Girls produce one egg every month and at a certain point in there life they stop producing eggs alltogether and can no longer have children. Guys are not suppossed to um.....have other forms of sex (ya'll know what I mean) because it wastes sperm. If you go by that, wouldn't being abstinent for a girl be a sin because every month you do not have sex thats one less chance for a baby to form? Just something I thought of and wondered what part I'm missing that explains it. (FYI I am NOT using that as any type of excuse lol, it was just a thought I had that made me wonder) [/quote] First, sins require intent. Natural occurances and cycles are not sinful. Second, men also have involuntary sexual occurances, namely so-called wet dreams, so this question really does impact both genders. To elaborate, men have these as frequently, if not more frequently, than women menstrate, so the impact of it goes just as deep on the moral matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azriel Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 There have been complaints that this thread was getting out of hand. Keep it clean folks, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I'm continuing this thread in the NFP phorum because I had some explicit questions. Hope you all will join me there. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessinoelw Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 The "masturbation" mentioned in the original post may simply refer to the already accepted and licit manual stimulation of the wife by the husband to bring her to climax. But, I have also read on another forum (Q&A with priests) that in the context of completed, vaginal intercourse, the wife may licitly assist herself in reaching climax. --Jessica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 yikes! Way too much info there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I don't think this is anything new they are just clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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