Paladin D Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 1 2004, 09:32 PM']Oh, just what I expected. [/quote] Same to you, I was expecting a post like this to come. [quote]Full blown Catholics rallying at the site of somebody that doesn't see the way they do. I even had a guy call me an idiot. What else can you do when you know you're wrong.[/quote] I really wasn't in the mood to waste my time with your left-wing fanaticism. Btw, I'm not Republican... for your information. [quote]On the media it can go both ways. The media is no longer a liable source of information because they compete with each other in order to get the latest news story or Government report and some, like Fox, like to honor the President and don't show any of the negative side of him. Tim Russert has been the go to guy for the Bush Administration ever since there were acussations of Russert wearing a Bush pin. Example, he got a rare interview with the President(whos only done 12 solo press conferences compared to 50 and above that other presidents have) Russert could of handled him and hung him to dry but he didn't and even conservative Peggy Noonan saw the president neverous, tired and unsure of himself. That is the boost the media gives Bush. They don't ask the questions that would make him "scowl"[/quote] Majority of news media is liberal biased, [b]Fox News[/b] is a rare exception (aligns to the right-wing). [b]"Oh my gosh, Fox News sUx0rz!!! CNN IS l33t!!1!1"[/b] [url="http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:tCEKSNVW-OYJ:mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc+drudge%3F&hl=en"]Here[/url] [i][b]Conclusion[/b] Although we expected to find that most media lean left, [b]we were astounded by the degree[/b]. A norm among journalists is to present “both sides of the issue.” Consequently, while we expected members of Congress to cite primarily think tanks that are on the same side of the ideological spectrum as they are, we expected journalists to practice a much more balanced citation practice, even if the journalist’s own ideology opposed the think tanks that he or she is sometimes citing. This was not always the case. [b]Most of the mainstream media outlets that we examined(ie all those besides Drudge Report and Fox News’ Special Report) were closer to the average Democrat in Congress than they were to the median member of the House.[/b][/i] [quote]You all go on and on about how immoral this country would be if Kerry was president. Plain stupid. Immoral I would call the destruction of our national forest that Bush has allowed to be destroyed and If I'm not mistaking this is God's trees were cutting down.[/quote] If you believe the cutting down of trees is [b]gravely immoral[/b], then you clearly have not lived long enough... or you're just a tree-hugging commie. Tell me, how about the millions of abortions that have happened in this country? The modern holocaust? What is gravely immoral... trees being cut down? Or innocent babies being murdered? Aren't those souls... God's? [quote]Immoral I would call the lie and rush to war that has caused thousands of deaths when there was no need to.[/quote] The 9/11 Commission has not placed the sole blame on George W. Bush. George Bush was presented evidence [b]at that time[/b] (by the CIA, UK and Russia) that was convincing. He based his decision on that, he isn't guilty. For example: How would you react if you were a king, and your advisors (and a couple other friendly kingdoms confirmed it) that a hostile kingdom was developing an army and weaponry for the purpose to invade your kingdom, and time was very short? Basing your decision off this information (from those you trust), you decide to invade and destroy the threat before they can attack. Later on, it turns out the kingdom was indeed hostile but didn't have the capabilities to invade yours. Would you be considered a liar? Or someone who was misinformed and based a judgement on false information? To call Bush a liar, is not only false... but hilarious. [quote]Immoral I would call the high divorce rate among married coupled.[/quote] Agreed, but that isn't Bush's fault (nor the Vatican's). [quote]Immoral I would call the Vatican allowing priest to move out of a country in which they have committed a crime-which is mostly sexual assault. That is immorality.[/quote] ??? Where did you hear this? [quote]You have no basis or proof about when a baby is alive. It's a view point that is different among us all.[/quote] Wrong. There is significant evidence that the baby is alive. You have been fooled by abortionists who try to justify their behavior, if the majority knew that the fetus is more than just "mere tissue", planned parenthood would be out of business. I'll have to find time to provide some proof, it's kind of late though. [quote]Not every woman is Christian. Not Every woman believes what you believe. And I if you think that enforcing your religious view makes this world more holy then maybe I'm not living on the same planet as you.[/quote] By your reasoning, we are then [b]"enforcing our religious views"[/b] on Muslims who find it justifiable to blow themselves up in restuarants and cafes. If it's right to murder a [b]completely innocent life[/b] through abortion, a life that shouldn't be punished for someone else's wrong doing... then I guess it's justifiable for a fanatical Muslim to kill someone who is against Islam (or invading one's country). Like the beheadings? [quote]When you vote you don't FORCE your believes unto others. In Bush's case we have a handful of religious figures influencing his every movie and aspect and he follows in order to keep his conservative base happy. He has the backing of the Senate and HOR and he is openly FORCING his believes unto the people he is ruling.[/quote] Funny, I can say the same exact thing about those who try to force [b]secular humanistic idealogy[/b] in my face and expect me to accept it. [quote]Sex is completely different. I'm not going into the Pre-marital sex bull carp because that is just another religious view taking effect and making a judgement that religioun shouldn't interfere with. Sex is going on among teens and at a very rampant pace. Abstinence programs AREN'T working and that only leads to more unsafe sex and more unwanted babies. Which would only result in more women wanting to get abortions but can't because laws almost make it impossible.[/quote] So just because someone will want to have sex, we must then [b]"give up"[/b]? Actually, it should be the opposite. If people want to risk killing themselves to have sex, let them. Sounds harsh, but you'll be suprised how many will stop. Safe-sex programs aren't working. Read these easy-to-read articles. (It's a Catholic website, however they provide sources of their information at the bottom. So it isn't jibber-jabbish.) [b]Won't a condom protect you from getting an STD?[/b] [url="http://www.pureloveclub.com/chastity/index.php?id=7&entryid=67"]http://www.pureloveclub.com/chastity/index...id=7&entryid=67[/url] [b]What's HPV, and why aren't teens told about it?[/b] [url="http://www.pureloveclub.com/chastity/index.php?id=7&entryid=68"]http://www.pureloveclub.com/chastity/index...id=7&entryid=68[/url] And a quiz... [url="http://www.pureloveclub.com/chastity/index.php?id=7&entryid=255"]http://www.pureloveclub.com/chastity/index...d=7&entryid=255[/url] [quote]To ban abortion would only lead us back to the 50's were women were having even more dangerous and life threatening abortions. We should never ban a woman from easily having access to an abortion in a safe manner.[/quote] At least back then, murder of the young wasn't an acceptiable procedure. [quote]I agree stop abortion so that way whenever a president feels the need to prove something we should have plenty of people to send![/quote] Because of abortions and parents choosing to have very small families, the population in Europe and North America will have a decline in population by 2050 (according to Britannica Encyclopedia). I don't believe that we all should have 20 kids, but we're slowly killing ourselves off. The Italian government is even giving financial benefits to people to make more babies, because their population is declining! There is also another European country that is doing something very similar. Note: I'm tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamalove Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 (edited) PRAYER FOR ST. GERARD'S INTERCESION Great Woonderworker of our day, St. Gerard, powerful protector of the mother and the unborn child, beg God, we beseech you, to conquer the horrible forces of anti-life, and to enlighten those in error that they may understand the deadly malice of their sin and return to the observance of His holy law. Pray, also, for mothers that they may highly cherish their wonderful perogative of motherhood and bring up their children in the holy love and fear of God for the salvation of their own souls and to the eternal praise and glory of His name. Through Christ our Lord. Amen Edited November 2, 2004 by mamalove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 so if i was to kill someone for being annoying that would be murder right, because I had a reason..but what if it was a GOOD reason does that change things?? just weighing my options man.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote] or you're just a tree-hugging commie. [/quote] God love ya lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 1 2004, 10:34 PM'] Rape, murder and so on were made illegal because those are actions that happened in order to hurt somebody else. Abortion isn't that way. [/quote] Murdering innocent babies is not [b]hurting[/b] someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote] Rape, murder and so on were made illegal because those are actions that happened in order to hurt somebody else. Abortion isn't that way.[/quote] im having trouble buying this, among most of your other arguements, as well and can we get a "phishy" here??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Of course, [b]Raphael[/b] did a better reply than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='VoloHumilisEsse' date='Nov 1 2004, 10:55 PM'] and can we get a "phishy" here??? [/quote] Non-Catholic is more like it. In his profile he just calls himself a Deist rather than a Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Can I make a suggestion that this thread be moved to the debate table ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Hi Dave!!! Long time no see dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 jennie you read my mind....i was thinking about that as well hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Paladin D' date='Nov 1 2004, 09:41 PM'] At least back then, murder of the young wasn't an acceptiable procedure. [/quote] This statement reminded me of a little bit of history in the medical field lol I'm going to be somewhat off topic I think but oh well lol The early Hippocratic oath that our doctors of long ago, I'm talking centuries ago. The Hippocratic oath they took, which first started the ethical use of medical procedures etc. actually talked about abortion. The old Hippocratic oath forbade abortions to be preformed. Anyway just a little bit of a history lesson. So just think the doctors of ages ago who helped to form the medical profession were against this. I bet they wouldn't be too happy to see the field that they gave their lives to become a disgrace with doctors who preform abortions. Edited November 2, 2004 by StColette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='Nov 1 2004, 11:14 PM'] Hi Dave!!! Long time no see dude. [/quote] Hi Steve! It's great to see you back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Thanks bro, its good to be back. I missed it greatly. I should be around more and more now. God willing. Pax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='Nov 1 2004, 10:18 PM'] I cant wait until Christ comes back....this world stinks [/quote] i LOVE that line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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