CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote] Gore wasn't crying [/quote] you kidding? You can still see him on TV talking about how he lost.. My point is, the exact same thing is going to happen this time..its not Bush's fault. its because neither one of them is going to accept the other person winning. they BOTH are going to take it to court if they loose. I say we all vote for nader!!! Wouldnt he flip out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immaculata Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 *sigh* What will Phatmass have to debate about on Wednesday?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='immaculata' date='Nov 1 2004, 09:32 PM'] *sigh* What will Phatmass have to debate about on Wednesday?? [/quote] Whether or not Bush "stole" the election again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMyztiq Posted November 2, 2004 Author Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 1 2004, 09:26 PM'] You seem to say that we can't legislate our morality is my point. I think that that's what we're doing when we say no murder, no rape, no etc. [/quote] Rape, murder and so on were made illegal because those are actions that happened in order to hurt somebody else. Abortion isn't that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote] Huh...I know they weren't. They weren't in the Bible because a king, I forget who, formed a cabinet and weeded out all the books that didn't make Jesus seem holy. And you're right only the "inspired" ones because all others didn't make Jesus seem like the son of God. [/quote] wha?? see this is what im talking about..no KING has anything to do with thiis, this was strictly the Churchs doing. The Pope commisioned St. Jerome, a Priest to gather the writings and decide what was inspired and what was not. before you claim you know something I would study more, from what you are saying now someone fed you the wrong end of the spoon bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Participative Theonomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote] Oh, just what I expected. Full blown Catholics rallying at the site of somebody that doesn't see the way they do. I even had a guy call me an idiot. What else can you do when you know you're wrong. [/quote] You will only find full blown Catholics here. Those that called you an idiot only gave back exactly what you seem to have just admitted giving us: stereotypes. [quote]First off the Constitution was set up to put a wall between religion and government.[/quote] The Constitution works against the establishment of a given religion. It does not work against basing laws on honest, religious principles, but only against binding the US government to the organization of another religion. [quote]On the media it can go both ways. The media is no longer a liable source of information because they compete with each other in order to get the latest news story or Government report and some, like Fox, like to honor the President and don't show any of the negative side of him.[/quote] Bill O'Reilly is arguably the most conservative person on FoxNews (he's actually far closer to libertarian) and he has been scolded every night for several months in emails for favoring Kerry. [quote]That is the boost the media gives Bush. They don't ask the questions that would make him "scowl"[/quote] And they probably wouldn't ask Kerry those questions, but he doesn't like to appear in interviews... [quote]You all go on and on about how immoral this country would be if Kerry was president. Plain stupid. Immoral I would call the destruction of our national forest that Bush has allowed to be destroyed and If I'm not mistaking this is God's trees were cutting down.[/quote] I would call massive deforestation immoral, as well. However, this is not nearly as immoral as even one abortion. Other than that, I don't know the statistics on deforestation and can only comment on the moral points you raise. [quote]Immoral I would call the lie and rush to war that has caused thousands of deaths when there was no need to.[/quote] What lies? Now, there may have been inaccurate information, but if you accuse Bush of lying, then you must also accuse Kerry of lying. [quote]Immoral I would call the high divorce rate among married coupled.[/quote] Contraceptives, far more loved by liberals than conservatives, are to blame for that. Since modern contraceptives hit the market in the 1960's, there has been a 500% increase in divorce rates. Now, would a man who encourages family life help that more, or a man who encourages homosexual activity? [quote]Immoral I would call the Vatican allowing priest to move out of a country in which they have committed a crime-which is mostly sexual assault. That is immorality.[/quote] I don't know what you're referring to and I don't see how it relates to this election. [quote]You have no basis or proof about when a baby is alive.[/quote] Well, science proves you wrong. Life exists when an organism (denoted by distinct DNA) begins to experience internal motion of its parts, i.e. it "starts up." Furthermore, I wouldn't need any proof of when a baby is alive to make my point. The argument lies on the side of safety. What even [i]could[/i] reasonably be a living human must be protected morally. [quote]It's a view point that is different among us all. Not every woman is Christian. Not Every woman believes what you believe. And I if you think that enforcing your religious view makes this world more holy then maybe I'm not living on the same planet as you.[/quote] This is not a religious view. It is a scientific and philosophical view which supports a religious belief. [quote]When you vote you don't FORCE your believes unto others. In Bush's case we have a handful of religious figures influencing his every move and aspect and he follows in order to keep his conservative base happy. He has the backing of the Senate and HOR and he is openly FORCING his believes unto the people he is ruling.[/quote] When I vote, I support certain laws. When I support laws, I support applying punishment to the breaking of those laws. When I support pro-life legislation, I promote applying punishment to the breaking of that legislation. There is not violation of free will in either. If the latter is forcing my morals and my will, then so is the former. [quote]Raphael that was a purely hypothetical statement which had no cause or reason but to confuse the stupid and I guess it worked on you.[/quote] Well, you were called idiot, but just called me stupid. I suppose you really [i]don't[/i] have to be religious to be a hypocrite... [quote]Kerry isn't a "flip-flopper" and sadly that is what Bush wants you to believe. He voted against the troops? Nope. He voted against the multi-million contract that was going to Halliburton-Cheney's old company. He voted against and for the war. Nope. He voted to give the president permission to go to war if necessary and Bush misused that right.[/quote] Kerry gave Bush the permission to go to war knowing full well all things Bush could potentially do with that authority. Therefore, his seal of approval goes to all things Bush could have done with that authority. Kerry is a flip-flopper, I have seen it for myself and nothing could be more clear about him. [quote]Which is what he is doing now. He also stated that he didn't believe that America should go around the world telling others that if we do it want way you should. He went as far as to say that if we do something of that sort he would be seen as an arrogant nation and that is just what happened.[/quote] Changing one's opinion over a four year period when times most certainly changed is far different from changing your opinion on abortion over a one week period and then changing it back again. [quote]Sex is completely different. I'm not going into the Pre-marital sex bull carp because that is just another religious view taking effect and making a judgement that religioun shouldn't interfere with.[/quote] Religion has everything to do with sex. Sexuality is intrinsic to the religious mission of the Church and central to the Christian message. [quote]Sex is going on among teens and at a very rampant pace. Abstinence programs AREN'T working and that only leads to more unsafe sex and more unwanted babies. Which would only result in more women wanting to get abortions but can't because laws almost make it impossible.[/quote] What laws make it almost impossible? Abortion is legal in the United States. Far-reaching abstinence programs have never been tried. Furthermore, there are more factors than just the programs in schools. [quote]To ban abortion would only lead us back to the 50's were women were having even more dangerous and life threatening abortions. We should never ban a woman from easily having access to an abortion in a safe manner.[/quote] From 1952-1969, there were a total of 13 maternal deaths due to abortion in the United States. Currently, there are over one million abortion-related deaths per year, and that's not even counting the maternal statistics. No abortion is a "safe" abortion. No murder is safe. [quote]Religion is a FAD and I stand by it. Mel Gibson's movie the sudden flury of the religious people some how gaining greater power because of a popularity contest.[/quote] How can a 2000-year old religion, with roots going back at least another 3000 years, be a fad? [quote] Kerry is the man because he actually fought for this country instead of running away under daddy's wing.[/quote] A man who fought for his country is respectable. Even Bush commended him for it. A man who fought for his country for very little time, lied in order to get medals, disposed of the medals and then lied to get into the national spotlight, is not respectable. [quote]Kerry is open to new views and ideas and he doesn't wear his own views on his sleeves which allows him, as would any president, to make decisions solely based on what the public wants or decisions that solely based on rational thought and I trust him not to allow his own aides and private matters get into play with the leadership of this country.[/quote] The president is supposed to know what is right. He is supposed to be the strong moral compass of the nation. The people have the legislation to represent it primarily. A man who wavers should not be president. Congressman, perhaps, but not president. [quote]Kerry would be a new face in our government and would help in convincing other countries to help out in a war that they were first pushed out of.[/quote] We have what...30 nations...in our coalition? How are France and Germany going to help when even they aren't sure if they would send in troops? I wouldn't even want to give them the chance after the UN scandal broke. [quote]Kerry doesn't "kill children" This is a choice. A choice for a woman to know that she is going to bring a child into life and accepts the responsibility of it or not having the baby because she is not ready and she knows that the child won't grow in a proper environment.[/quote] The baby is already alive and growing. The time for choosing is up. [quote]Besides unless you can have a baby for the woman I just couln't think of forcing anybody to have a massive amount of flesh and bones come out of a tiny hole in my body. It's painful I hear.[/quote] And I suppose chopping the brain up, sucking it out, and then tearing the limbs apart one by one and removing them through said hole is not only a delightful experience but a moral one as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 1 2004, 09:34 PM'] Rape, murder and so on were made illegal because those are actions that happened in order to hurt somebody else. Abortion isn't that way. [/quote] Abortion doesn't hurt anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 1 2004, 08:34 PM'] Rape, murder and so on were made illegal because those are actions that happened in order to hurt somebody else. Abortion isn't that way. [/quote] Abortion doesn't hurt the mother? It doesn't hurt the child? Partial birth abortion does both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 lol. Hrm....Depends on how long the troll lasts I suppose. I love how people who have never posted here before jump on a bandwagon and get high and mighty. This one actually thinks murder is defined as "killing without any cause". I suppose then the 3000 people who died in 9/11 were not murdered. The terrorists had a reason to murder them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phikoz Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 1 2004, 09:27 PM'] My mom wanted to HAVE me. Therefore I was born. She wasn't forced to have me. [/quote] you should be thankful then. why not give some blessings to other people who WANT to be BORN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 1 2004, 08:32 PM'] Sex is completely different. I'm not going into the Pre-marital sex bull carp because that is just another religious view taking effect and making a judgement that religioun shouldn't interfere with. Sex is going on among teens and at a very rampant pace. Abstinence programs AREN'T working and that only leads to more unsafe sex and more unwanted babies. Which would only result in more women wanting to get abortions but can't because laws almost make it impossible. [/quote] By that reasoning the best way to cut down on fatalities from gang violence would be to distribute bulletproof vests to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 1 2004, 08:32 PM']Sex is completely different. I'm not going into the Pre-marital sex bull carp because that is just another religious view taking effect and making a judgement that religioun shouldn't interfere with. Sex is going on among teens and at a very rampant pace. Abstinence programs AREN'T working and that only leads to more unsafe sex and more unwanted babies. Which would only result in more women wanting to get abortions but can't because laws almost make it impossible. [/quote] By that reasoning the best way to cut down on fatalities from gang violence would be to distribute bulletproof vests to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [img]http://24.227.112.188/kerry.jpg[/img] I wonder what kills more people. Terrorism or abortion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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