Bush is not pro-life

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Nathan, you continue to astound and amaze me. And you are correct sir. That was very well put!

[qfnol31]

I'm very impressed Nathan.

[Paladin D]

Couldn't have said it better Nathan.

[Socrates]

Ditto

[flip]

Pro-Life to me is being for life in all cases. with no exceptions. I make no exceptions with my faith, and therefore do not make exceptions with morality issues.

Total Pro Life means:
No Abortion
No Euthanisa
No Unjust war (which we are in)
No Unjust death penalty (which we commit)
No Birth Control
No Death
No Murder

can we not stand together as Catholics and fight for life in ALL CASES?

[qfnol31]

[quote name='flip' date='Nov 1 2004, 09:49 PM'] No Unjust war (which we are in) [/quote]
Two clarifications:

1) We're not necessarily in an unjust war.
2) While we stand for life in all instances, it is best to work as much at a time as we can. (Proportionate reasoning).

[XIX]

[quote name='flip' date='Nov 1 2004, 10:49 PM'] Pro-Life to me is being for life in all cases. with no exceptions. I make no exceptions with my faith, and therefore do not make exceptions with morality issues.

Total Pro Life means:
No Abortion
No Euthanisa
No Unjust war (which we are in)
No Unjust death penalty (which we commit)
No Birth Control
No Death
No Murder

can we not stand together as Catholics and fight for life in ALL CASES? [/quote]
Well I certainly believe in being pro-life in all of these cases. However, I've always understood that the term "pro-life" was coined in specific reference to abortion.

I also believe that abortion is the ultimate pro-life issue. I think it was Mother Teresa of Calcutta who said that the greatest destroyer of peace in the world is abortion, because it teaches that it is permissible for a Mother to kill her child.


I like this thread by the way...it is good to remember that we should always seek to defend the sanctity of life.

[crusader1234]

[quote name='flip' date='Nov 1 2004, 10:49 PM'] Pro-Life to me is being for life in all cases. with no exceptions. I make no exceptions with my faith, and therefore do not make exceptions with morality issues.

Total Pro Life means:
No Abortion
No Euthanisa
No Unjust war (which we are in)
No Unjust death penalty (which we commit)
No Birth Control
No Death
No Murder

can we not stand together as Catholics and fight for life in ALL CASES? [/quote]
I agree with Good Friday and Flip.

[Shadow]

wow....



are you retarded?




BUSH IS PROLIFE. DUH.

[Colleen]

[quote name='Shadow' date='Nov 3 2004, 05:53 PM']wow....



are you retarded?




BUSH IS PROLIFE. DUH.[/quote]
You're right, Bush is pro-life (at least for the most part), but let's be charitable. This is a topic that needs to be addressed and made clear.

[Shadow]

ugh...alright, fine. but i am bias/opinionative/stubburn, and im sure you all know that by now.

[_bc]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Nov 1 2004, 10:58 AM'] In the past sixteen months, abortion has killed 1,750,656 infants in this country, and counting. [/quote]
If abortion is relevant to presidential elections, isn't the person who was president prior to and throughout these 16 months then responsible for not protecting the 1,750,656 infants killed on his watch?

Why is it better to vote for a candidate who pays lip service to proctecting the unborn, than for a candidate who is honest about not protecting them?

[_bc]

Ps. I'm not a Kerry supporter, the election is over and I'm trying to pose an honest question, not start an argument.

[Jedi_StClaire]

I realize that President Bush is not 100% pro life, but he has signed several laws to protect unborn children. One which had a lawsuit filed against it almost immediately aftewards.

He signed the

-Unborn Victims of Violence Act (also known as Laci and Connor's Law)
which recognizes the unborn child as a victim when his/her mother is attacked and either injured or killed. It enables prosecution for two victims rather than one.

-Partial Birth Abortion Ban
Finally, we got a president that signed this into law and almost immediately following, lawsuits were filed against it in 3 states, my own included.
(Senator Kerry, who claims to be a practicing Catholic, voted AGAINST this ban 6 times!) When the President signed this, he made a comment about ending a grusome practice. Unfortunately, the lawsuits were won by Planned Parenthood's side and the President has yet to appeal - which I believe he wants to. The big factor was the claim there's no "health" exception which would basically null and void this law because of the Doe vs. Bolton which allowed abortion for any health reasons - mental and physical.

He also signed the Born Alive Infant Protection bill which helps babies that are born alive after a botched abortion, to receive the medical care they deserve.


So, while he is not 100% pro life (and I pray that someday he will be) he has tried his best to protect the most vulnerable of human beings.

[Mr. Cube]

Plus if Bush has an opportunity he may appoint a pro-life Supreme Court Justice, whereas Kerry swore he wouldn't; the Supreme Court is currently split 5-4 in favor of abortion. That's the difference between the Supreme Court being spit 5-4 against abortion vs. the Supreme Court being split 6-3 for abortion. So Bush might do a lot of good for the pro-life movement, but Kerry might've done a lot of harm. It's moot now, with the election being over and all, but voting for Bush was a good bet for anyone who's pro-life, even if they were skeptical about Bush's pro-life credentials.