Sinner Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Are there some prayers that are more efficacious when recited verbally/out loud? Say the Rosary for instance or any others? Are some prayers not efficacious unless said aloud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Obviously, a sincere prayer never goes unheard. However, there are promises attached to some prayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 I think the question is: does it have to be said orally or is a quiet rosery (for example) in a chapel or lying in bed "count" just as much...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D0RK4JP2 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 (edited) Gday, I never thought it mattered how we prayed, so long as our prayer is made with the love Christ wants us to give; "love one another as i have loved you." If we try to pray with the same love Christ has for us then, i'd think, it wouldn't matter if we prayed, any prayer, silently or out alloud, because then our prayer would reach perfection, cuz all things reach perfection in Christ's love. *had to edit my post cuz i had another idea* ..then, whatever form our prayer would come to be would be an expression of love. so, sometimes it would be better to pray the rosary silently and sometimes it would be better to chant the rosary and sometimes it would be better to pray the rosary in latin and sometimes it would be better to pray the rosary with arms outstretched for penance...you get the picture, whatever is your expression of your love for Christ (within magesterial teaching of course) is, then express it that way. Love is a verb, so we LOVE Christ in prayer by EXPRESSING love in prayer by our entire DISPOSITION in prayer. Hope i didn't blab on then...nasty habit of mine . JMJ. Edited October 31, 2004 by D0RK4JP2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 Some prayers and forms of worship are indeed "more" efficacious than others (that is, they bring a greater degree of grace to the worshiper) however, the factors that determine that are place (Sacred Places, such as within a chapel, a church, or sanctified grounds), time (worship, good in and of itself, becomes more efficacious if it is done on a Sunday because it is also in line with our command to keep holy the sabbath) and, of course, Liturgy (liturgical worship is more efficacious than private worship). To the best of my knowledge the degree to which the paryer can be heard is not one of those factors. If evidence is necessary, simply look to Christ's teaching that it is better to pray sincerely in your home with the doors shut than it is to pray insincerely in public (auditory). - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted October 31, 2004 Share Posted October 31, 2004 There are also circumstances where an audible prayer is more efficacious. For example, certain ejaculations are indulgenced, and you recieve indulgences therefore by speaking them out loud, rather than silently. For example: [url="http://www.holysouls.info/treasuryprayers.php"]These Prayers[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Man..... excellent thoughts above guys!! What got me thinking about it was that sometimes I visit/pray with my Guardian Angel.... but it is my understanding an angel cannot percieve my thoughts; so I figure I should talk out loud...... am I being a goof or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Is this really a topic to be debated..... because isnt all forms of prayer good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Angels certainly can percieve your thoughts... If they could not, the devil would not be able to tempt you. He can (and does) and even is able to influence your thoughts in some ways, therefore other angels must be able to read thoughts as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D0RK4JP2 Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Nov 1 2004, 04:18 PM'] Angels certainly can percieve your thoughts... If they could not, the devil would not be able to tempt you. He can (and does) and even is able to influence your thoughts in some ways, therefore other angels must be able to read thoughts as well. [/quote] Gday, I've always wondered if angels could read your mind. I've read that they can't but it sometimes seems as if they can. If they cant, and it seems like they can, in the case of demons, it matters not WHAT you are thinking most of the time; because sin comes from an outside source, so sin must be perceived through the senses 1st. Therefore, if we were to look at something, hear something, or touch something that could be tempting, any demon would inject into our mind some type of thought to see if we 'take the bait of sin'. The reason i wonder if they can is because if they could our lives would be in total chaos...silence would never be a refuge from the noise of the world because the devil can just invade your mind whenever he wants. JMJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 The devil CAN invade your mind whenever he wants... if God allows him to do so. Ever been walking around minding your own business and then suddenly BAM! some ridiculous and crazy thought pops into your head... pure work of the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D0RK4JP2 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 God Conquers, i never thought about it like that. It's mysterious that God allows the devil to tempt us, because sometimes we give into the temptation . Why does God allow us to fall? So we learn from our mistakes? but what if we don't? Then *thinks it through as he writes* i guess God would allow it to happen to train us to love Him and hate sin. St Augustine called Satan our sparring partner, probably for that reason. It's such a common thing, conversational temptation. It has reached points, recently in my life, where i am so bombarded with demonic thoughts that i can't think clearly and it feels like im going insane. The only thing that helps is handing it over to Jesus. Trying to handle it all on my own is impossible, and every time i try to do it on my own, for reasons that seem good at the time, i fail. How can you tell the difference between your own corrupt nature just wanting to sin and the devil tempting you? JMJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 the other thing we should remember is that any time God allows us to be tempted by satan, he also provides the Grace to overcome that temptation. If we succumb, it is not because "evil God" tested us, but because Christ reached out his hand to help us, and we refused to take it. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Nov 2 2004, 08:56 AM'] the other thing we should remember is that any time God allows us to be tempted by satan, he also provides the Grace to overcome that temptation. If we succumb, it is not because "evil God" tested us, but because Christ reached out his hand to help us, and we refused to take it. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff [/quote] Very very true. I was told that the difference resides in the relative violence of temptations from the devil. When our flesh promotes us to sin it is generally a slow slide, and we get captured by degrees. But when the devil tempts us, like I was describing above, it tends to be rather sudden and explicit, hard to ignore, but difficult to understand where it came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D0RK4JP2 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 [quote]Very very true. I was told that the difference resides in the relative violence of temptations from the devil. When our flesh promotes us to sin it is generally a slow slide, and we get captured by degrees. But when the devil tempts us, like I was describing above, it tends to be rather sudden and explicit, hard to ignore, but difficult to understand where it came from. [/quote] Yeh man, i totally agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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