Noel's angel Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Ok, im not really sure where to post this, but u know the sin of Simony which was named after Simon the sorcerer, well when did it cease to be a named sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 (edited) [b]What is the sin of simony?[/b] Simony is the deliberate buying or selling of spiritual goods or of a temporal thing that is attached to a spiritual good (such as a position in the Church). Spiritual goods would include grace, the gifts of the Holy Spirit, sacraments, sacramentals, relics, indulgences, blessings, prayers, exercise of an ecclesiastical office, etc. The stipend offered to a priest for the celebration of Mass for a particular intention is not simony. [b]The sin is named after Simon Magus (Acts 8:9-24)[/b] [url="http://www.dioceseoflincoln.org/purple/sin/sin.htm"]http://www.dioceseoflincoln.org/purple/sin/sin.htm[/url] God Bless, ironmonk Edited October 29, 2004 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted October 29, 2004 Author Share Posted October 29, 2004 (edited) so its still a sin then? cause my Religion teacher said it wasnt, well, that its not known as simony anymore Edited October 29, 2004 by Noel's angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Yes it is still a sin. SIMONY. A sacrilege that consists in buying and selling what is spiritual in return for what is temporal. In simony the person tries to equate material things, such as money, with spiritual things, such as divine grace, and treats the latter as though he or some other human being had full ownership of what really belongs to God. The term "simony" originated with the biblical account of Simon Magus, who sought to purchase from St. Peter the spiritual power derived from the imposition of hands and the invocation of the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:18). Simony includes both agreements that are illicit by divine law and those which the law of the Church forbids as greater protection and reverence for spiritual goods. Thus to promise prayers only in exchange for a certain sum of money is simony forbidden by divine (natural) law. To confer sacred orders or obtain some position of authority in the Church in return for money or its equivalent is simony forbidden by ecclesiastical law. When simony is against the divine law, it is always a grave sin. Its gravity in other cases depends on the serious nature of what is bought or sold, and on the degree of scandal given. (Etym. Latin simonia, after Simon Magus.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 so would Esau be a good example of someone who committed simony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted October 29, 2004 Author Share Posted October 29, 2004 thanks, i knew what it was, i just didnt know if the sin was still called Simony, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 [quote name='mulls' date='Oct 29 2004, 12:17 PM'] so would Esau be a good example of someone who committed simony? [/quote] I'm not sure you consider a birthright a spiritual good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 hmm, true....though the blessing was very important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Actually if you want an example of Simony, just go to ebay Just in case you want to buy something off ebay...if there is an auction site for only one of the stations of the cross......it just might not be legit. (sarcasm) But seriously, you wouldn't believe what they are selling on ebay. Some of it is very questionable. Balthazor (polka hero) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 I buy antique and old religious object from e-bay. This is not much different than buying them at a Catholic Bookstore. I purchase them because of their history and their looks, not because they've been blessed. (I can get a blessing for free ) I do not see a problem with much of the sales of this sort on E-Bay. (Although the whole sale of relics seems disturbing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 I was referring to relics sold on ebay....that is simony isn't it? Or am I just way off on this one? On a lighter side. I remember I was trying to find information on absolution on the internet...and I laughed my dupa off when..lo and behold up came EBAY With a title that said Compare prices for Absolution!!! It was hilarious....of course it was referring to a cd called absolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Simony is more like buying a job than buying a relic. If I make you the pastor of a local church in return for a million dollars that is simony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 29 2004, 05:10 PM'] Simony is more like buying a job than buying a relic. If I make you the pastor of a local church in return for a million dollars that is simony. [/quote] The definition given by the Diocese is selling of a Relic... I would have to say that it is the sin of Simony on eBay... give the definition by the Diocese. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Yes, but I would rather a Catholic purchase a relic from Ebay with the intent on having it blessed and used toward Catholic teachings, or a gift to the Church or such.. as opposed to someone who simply wished to 'own' something Catholic or worse yet, to use it in a negative light. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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