communion

[dairygirl4u2c]

I would just like to know if anyone here has any information on two things. One is does anyone know where the writings have come from for communion from the early church? Like the geographical extents. What spots are missing? Why are they missing? Were they just lost? Are there any theories that have surface with a reasonable amunt of reason, even if you disagree, about the Catholic Church destroying ones that disagree with it? Does anyone know how they were lost?

Edited October 29, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c

[CatholicforChrist]

What do you mean by that? By Communion do you mean the Eucharist?

[dairygirl4u2c]

sure why not.

[CatholicforChrist]

Huh? What do you mean by that?

[Guest Aluigi]

I've been reading about the history of the Vatican Archives, and they've been kept since the time of Peter in one form or antoher, and there are references to it from the very begining, but Roman persecution and later barbarian invasions of Rome again and again kept destroying documents. so the only docs you'rge going to find (mainly) are the ones that the Church at Rome sent out to other churches.

Book I suggest reading, you can prolly find it at your local Barnes n Noble, [u]The Secret Archives of the Vatican[/u] by Maria Luisa Ambrosini

Okay, so all that answers about anything missing. ROMAN PERSECUTIONS and BARBARIAN RANSACTS OF ROME. That's a historical fact about why Church Documents were destroyed.

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]so the only docs you'rge going to find (mainly) are the ones that the Church at Rome sent out to other churches.[/quote]
Do you mean the ones that were sent out and sent back ultimately?

[quote]The Secret Archives of the Vatican by Maria Luisa Ambrosini[/quote]

[quote]ROMAN PERSECUTIONS and BARBARIAN RANSACTS OF ROME. That's a historical fact about why Church Documents were destroyed. [/quote]
How do you know it's how all of them have been by that method? And not because of purposeful destroying?

[Guest Aluigi]

Because the Church at Rome used the archives to proove its case all the time. There was no reason for it to destroy its own records. There are historical accounts of the Romans confiscating and burning the Church's documents. There are historical accounts of great persecutions in which the Church's documents were burned. There are historical accounts of barbarians, while sparing St. Peters, seiging Lateran where the documents were and burning em all. It's a historical fact that that is what happened. The Early Church had no reason to destroy its own documents. It cited its own documents all the time.

I'm talking about letters that were found that were from Rome OUTSIDE rome. Why? Because the stuff that remained in Rome was destroyed on like 5 seperate occasions. Stuff that Rome sent out is still in existence because it was not destroyed by barbarian invaders and Roman persecuters.

[Quietfire]

Yes, but during the Protestant reformation in England, many documents and papers of the Catholic Church were destroyed also.
And yes, that is all documented as well, if anyone really wishes to know the truth.
Manuscripts, (MSS) and Church documents, as well as thousands of old Medieval Bibles of the Catholic Church were destroyed in fires, or used to feed fires in ovens of Bakeries, cover broken windows, or even to wrap food in (like fish or bread). Holy Bibles were stripped of their gold and jewels in exchange for cash.
And all this the result of the Protestant reformation. So much for Sola Fide.

Peace.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Oct 28 2004, 10:13 PM'] I would just like to know if anyone here has any information on two things. One is does anyone know where the writings have come from for communion from the early church? Like the geographical extents. What spots are missing? Why are they missing? Were they just lost? Are there any theories that have surface with a reasonable amunt of reason, even if you disagree, about the Catholic Church destroying ones that disagree with it? Does anyone know how they were lost? [/quote]
I think your question is has anyone plotted on a map where John Chrysostom, Ignatius of Antioch, Dionesus, Polycarp, Clement, etc.etc. lived. And where the doctrines on the real prescence were taught. I do think this would be a very interesting study and have thought about doing it. Just as interesting might be some sort of a map plot on those Fathers who held to the marian dogma of Perpetual Virginity for example as there is alot of evidence on that as well. Baptismal regeneration is another. The fact that these people did not have email nor did hte average joe go beyond the city limits and yet held very uniform beliefs on such doctrines is a definite one up for Catholicism. Another thing of interest would be the widespread looking toward Rome to solve disputes and call the roman bishopric, the SEE OF PETER.

Where were the pockets of people who did not believe these things and believed like the Protestants today. I know of no such study.
It would be very interesting indeed. I do not know if such a study exists.

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