qfnol31 Posted October 29, 2004 Author Share Posted October 29, 2004 This would be a fun discussion for AIM, and even a new topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 (edited) 1 WHEREAS the current federal minimum wage in insufficient to live on, and, 2 WHEREAS increasing the minimum wage causes job loss, and, 3 WHEREAS some independent Americans are forced to take minimum wage jobs, and, 4 WHEREAS these Americans compete for job opportunities with dependent Americans, and, 5 WHEREAS dependent and independent Americans are paid the same minimum wage 6 BE IT RESOLVED by the House of Representatives in the Student Congress here assembled 7 that: independent Americans be granted a higher minimum wage while dependent Americans' minimum wage is decreased 8 while preferred job opportunities in minimum wage jobs are given to them. yeah i really couldn't think of anything better to do for this resolution i havta write anyway (i'm pretty sure we're not supposed to do common ones like abortion or anything) Edited October 29, 2004 by Aluigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Here's an idea: Let's require that all products imported to America be made in compliance with US Labor Law (Wages, Workplace Safety, the Whole Kit and Kaboodle), plus the corporations have to pay the increased costs of inforcing compliance. Now: Foreign Production + Shipping < US Production With this idea: Foreign Production + Compliance Inforcement + Shipping > Domestic Production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 I'm liking that idea T-bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Raising minimum wage = more layoffs, less people working, higher unemployment, low job creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 What jobs pay minimum wage? Even here in Florida, known for cheap labor, a part time phone receptionist with no skills other than a speaking voice can get paid $8. I hire laborers with no skills other than a driver license for $10/hr, free insurance, vacation, 401k. Only the most unskilled jobs would pay minimum. People aren't likely to keep them. How lazy and unmotivated must you be to get paid minimum wage for any length of time. One certainly are using God given talents to their advantage. God helps those who help themselves. Everyday I see people taking advantage of the system. I have a guy who works part time for me and part time elsewhere. He owes back taxes because he didn't pay them. He get's free medical care from the county (we pay 1/2% sales tax for this) and lives in his daughter's converted garage w/ ac, water, etc. He has more money to pisss away a week than I do, but I can't afford to go to the Dr until I get insurance in a few weeks and I have to pay $100 per week for it. I don't qualify for free or reduced medical care, etc., etc. What's fair about that? Minimum wage as a living wage is a lie. NOBODY lives on just that. If there are legitimate reasons you can't work, there is free/subsidized food, housing, clothing, medical care, etc., available for you. What's a "living" wage? Enough money to buy minimal food, clothing, and shelter or enough money for AC, cable, internet, fast food, Nike shoes, clotes from Ambercrombie, & a gameboy? Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs with high turn-over that do not require skills. People who do them gain skills and experience and develop a history of dependebility that allows them to go elsewhere at a better pay. Minimum wage jobs are not meant for people to live off of for years. You'd have to be extremely mentally challenged if that's all you can do and we have aid programs to help those who absolutely can't do better, it's not about those who won't do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Raising the minimum wage is a nice idea...but in the end it is a vicious circle. The companies and buisiness owners aren't going to absorb the cost they are going to pass it off to the consumer. Which means the cost of living will rise. Which means we will look and say "we need to raise minimum wage"......this is a simplified version.....because I hate typing long posts. But you get the Idea. Balthazor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky2 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 I agree wholheartedly with the last 3 posts. I would also add that most labor contracts have a minumum wage clause in them which provide for automatic increases in wages whenever the minumum wage is raised - so if the minum wage goes up a buck - the union janitor making 15 an hour automatically goes to 16. This is why labor unions always support raising the minumum wage and support politicians who promise it. Ricky2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Wheather yall like to admit it or not .... with Bush in office Priceses in everything will go up and up only because hes a republican .... there is no such thing as a poor republican..... With kerry in office yea minum wage will go up and mess carp up but at least there will be more jobs and LESS STRESS ON THE POOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 Actually, if you read the thread, the point (and seeming common belief) is that there will be less jobs and more strain on the poor with Kerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track2004 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Just from an economics standpoint, the minimum wage will almost always be below the poverty line no matter what the number is ($5.15 to $7.00 to $15.00). If a person has to make $7.00 an hour at a fast food joint, either the place will close or the prices will skyrocket to cover overhead. This will happen at every level of employment, causing, in the end, the value of the Mcjob to have the same value it has now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azriel Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 [url="http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/briefingpapers_bp151"]Interesting[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 so, what about all the people who made mistakes early in life, and have few/no skills? What about areas of the country that are experiencing economic depression? If minimum wage is not the answer, what is? What is a truly Catholic economic point of view? If your answer is simply " get a job", don't bother posting it, I've heard it before. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 [quote name='J.R.D' date='Oct 30 2004, 03:21 AM'] ....there is no such thing as a poor republican..... [/quote] Comon now, that is absurd. Don't eat up the "class warfare" propaganda. [quote]With kerry in office yea minum wage will go up and mess carp up but at least there will be more jobs and LESS STRESS ON THE POOR[/quote] Actually, there will be less jobs and more poor. Minimum wage sends jobs overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 PedroX, it seems we don't exactly have a full answer. But we have shown that minimum wage raising isn't a good answer. The only possible thing is to try to help these people get a job that pays higher than minimum wage. I'm not sure how, but that's better than raising minimum wage and screwing over other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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